Sette on 7th - ick.
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Subject: Re: sette and miracle grill
I dislike both Sette and Miracle Grille and have had 2/2 bad experiences at both restaurants minus the staff everything thing else was disappointing, especially the food. -
Subject: Re: sette and miracle grill
sooze wrote: Wow! so surprised at the bad experiences at the new eats on 7th. I had an absolutely unforgettable meal at Sette... the fish was fresh and unique, the pasta was perfection and the wine both affordable and delicious. I was so pleased, I've been sending friends ever since. Maybe I visited after they had settled in and experimented.
Can someone say "Plant?"
Never had Miracle Grill's brunch but love their dinner menu. It's great for a lighter meal (2 or 3 apps) or a full on meal with entree. It's hard to find decent mexican-american food in the hood... and you can't beat the location. Very pleased. -
Subject: Yamato gave me the runs
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"Plant."
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the action on this thread again reminded me that i was called the "Bogota Bistro Shiller" when i first posted.
i liked Sette when i went. my wife didn't. haven't been to Miracle yet, but i hate them for painting over the beautiful mural on the wall back when it was Cucina Cuzco. -
Subject: 7th Avenue Restaurants  Sette in particula
I've been reading the comments about Sette with some bemusement and not a little surprise and disappointment. I've had dinner there on perhaps four or five occasions and enjoyed myself thoroughly. I thought the food was reasonably good with a couple of standout dishes (the grilled calamari and the pizza appetizer come to mind). I admit I don't care for the tight table spacing, but that is just part of life in NYC. I like their wine list and approach to pricing.
My bemusement is not so much that some who posted didn't like the place, but that their opinions were based on a single visit (in many cases) and that there is this element of "piling on", to borrow a trope from football.
It's reasonable to me that a negative posting would bring other postings from people who agree. But what causes my surprise (and some disappointment in what is otherwise an excellent chat board) is the suggestion that someone who disagrees with the general sentiment is a plant. And that such a suggestion would get a second!
Well, I can tell anyone who cares to read this that I am in no way a plant for any food establishment, and I like Santa Fe Grill and I like Sette. I think their respective foods are reasonably good, their prices appropriate for their offerings and target clientele, and the ambience in each just fine for what they proffer.
To go on in this vein, I also like both Blue Ribbon and Blue Ribbon Sushi, but I don't like Moutarde. I think Belleville is capable of fine dining moments but misses more often than it hits. I think that the owners of the abominable Indian restaurant on 7th Avenue near 7th Street must have invested very wisely in real estate years ago because they can't be making any money on that stuff they call food. I mostly llike Coco Roco but have been disappointed on rare occasions. I recently discovered Maria's on Union just off Fourth Avenue and became an instant convert. I like Tempo basically but I think they're a little too pretentious sometimes. I can go on and on (and with any provocation at all I will), but you get the point.
If you and I sat at table and went through a full three (or more) course dinner, replete with wines and dessert, I wouldn't find it unreasoable that we would agree on the quality of the meal in every respect, no more than I would be surprised if we did not agree. In the end, it's all a matter of taste.
But if we did disagree and you then accused me of being a plant for the place where we ate, our relationship (at least our culinary relationship) would more than likely be at an end.
Sorry for the rant. I was distressed by the accusations that smacked of mob mentality.
Now bring on the Chateau d'Yquem... -
Subject: Re: 7th Avenue Restaurants  Sette in parti
brookboy wrote:
My husband and I were just discussing that Indian restaurant . . . How on earth do they stay in business now that there are other Indian restaurants in Park Slope?
To go on in this vein, I also like both Blue Ribbon and Blue Ribbon Sushi, but I don't like Moutarde. I think Belleville is capable of fine dining moments but misses more often than it hits. I think that the owners of the abominable Indian restaurant on 7th Avenue near 7th Street must have invested very wisely in real estate years ago because they can't be making any money on that stuff they call food.
I love Moutarde. I would like to love Belleville, but they have some serious service issues. We went for dinner one time and the place was paralyzed because their computer was down, and they apparently could not conceive of any other way to tell the kitchen what had been ordered -- this in a restaurant with 20 tables. And the waiter was a condescending idiot. But other times have been better. -
Subject: Re:
pitu wrote: [quote=doldrums]The most consistent reasonably priced are 12th street, Nana and bonnies grill. I am never disappointed with the food or the bill in those restaurants. However, they are not in the same league as Al Di La, Tempo or stone Park, but then they don't charge those rates.
right on
now I'll try 12th St - what is it?
p.s. I think the post above yours is the Bogota shiller
p.p.s. If you're not the Bogota Shiller, I am sorry. It's just that they are sooooo annoying on other boards. Those guys and their business plan are such a drag.
Brookboy, I think you must be easily disappointed if you find this thread upseting.
I read this board and see a variety of opinions. People say they like stuff, and don't like stuff. No problem.
The quote above is the shill accusation in question (I think.)
And I think it's fair and qualified - perhaps you aren't aware of it, but there's been a rash of blog and other stealth marketing this year.
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BTW, I like Moutarde too - had a fantastic first meal soon after they opened, and always had good food when I got back. There's something about a first meal that sets a tone. And otherwise, why would you go back when there's so many other great choices?
I talked to some guys coming out of newish Indian "Kinara" who said it was fantastic - Fifth Ave around 10th St -
Subject: Re: sette and miracle grill
8thandPrez wrote: [quote=sooze]Wow! so surprised at the bad experiences at the new eats on 7th. I had an absolutely unforgettable meal at Sette... the fish was fresh and unique, the pasta was perfection and the wine both affordable and delicious. I was so pleased, I've been sending friends ever since. Maybe I visited after they had settled in and experimented.
Can someone say "Plant?"
Never had Miracle Grill's brunch but love their dinner menu. It's great for a lighter meal (2 or 3 apps) or a full on meal with entree. It's hard to find decent mexican-american food in the hood... and you can't beat the location. Very pleased.citizen jane wrote: "Plant."
You're right, I was unaware of the rash of blog and stealth marketing as I'm new to this board. That's a hard thing to police, I imagine.
What I found disappointing was the idea that someone who dissented with the majority opinion was accused of being a shill and that there was no defense of the minority opinion, rather a second accusation. If that qualifies as being easily disappointed, then I guess I am. I know I wouldn't like being accused of being a shill simply because I disagreed with someone else's opinion. Thus my first posting.
But as I also said I do like the diversity of opinion on this board (including mine). -
Subject: Re:
pitu wrote: [quote=doldrums]The most consistent reasonably priced are 12th street, Nana and bonnies grill. I am never disappointed with the food or the bill in those restaurants. However, they are not in the same league as Al Di La, Tempo or stone Park, but then they don't charge those rates.
right on
now I'll try 12th St - what is it?
p.s. I think the post above yours is the Bogota shiller
p.p.s. If you're not the Bogota Shiller, I am sorry. It's just that they are sooooo annoying on other boards. Those guys and their business plan are such a drag.
Brookboy, I think you must be easily disappointed if you find this thread upseting.
I read this board and see a variety of opinions. People say they like stuff, and don't like stuff. No problem.
The quote above is the shill accusation in question (I think.)
And I think it's fair and qualified - perhaps you aren't aware of it, but there's been a rash of blog and other stealth marketing this year.
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BTW, I like Moutarde too - had a fantastic first meal soon after they opened, and always had good food when I got back. There's something about a first meal that sets a tone. And otherwise, why would you go back when there's so many other great choices?
I talked to some guys coming out of newish Indian "Kinara" who said it was fantastic - Fifth Ave around 10th St
that accusation was actually thrown at me when i first posted on this board. honestly, it pissed me off at the time and i considered not posting again. just because i liked a restaurant that others on the board were upset at because they had a blog and were aggressive in their marketing doesn't mean that just posting that you liked it made you a shill. i got over it in about 10 minutes, and joked about it afterwards, but it was oft-putting at the time to a newbie. -
J0518, at the time I said
pitu wrote:
p.p.s. If you're not the Bogota Shiller, I am sorry. It's just that they are sooooo annoying on other boards. Those guys and their business plan are such a drag.
what else could I write and still call out the shilly posibility?
Anyway, I'm glad the pain didn't last long . . . -
pitu wrote: J0518, at the time I said
[quote=pitu]
p.p.s. If you're not the Bogota Shiller, I am sorry. It's just that they are sooooo annoying on other boards. Those guys and their business plan are such a drag.
what else could I write and still call out the shilly posibility?
Anyway, I'm glad the pain didn't last long . . .
hey....long forgotten. it's fine. i was more referring to the post that referred to the post that referred to the....you get the idea. -
Subject: Re:
J0518 wrote: that accusation was actually thrown at me when i first posted on this board. honestly, it pissed me off at the time and i considered not posting again. just because i liked a restaurant that others on the board were upset at because they had a blog and were aggressive in their marketing doesn't mean that just posting that you liked it made you a shill. i got over it in about 10 minutes, and joked about it afterwards, but it was oft-putting at the time to a newbie.
Same reaction. I got on my white horse (well, actually a mangy kind of gray swayback), picked up my lance (well, actually a water pistol) and charged off (well, staggered, really) to take up the cudgel. I was actually over my snit after I wrote what I wrote but I went ahead and posted anyway.
Been enjoying the board quite a bit... -
Random thoughts:
Agree with others. Never seen one single person in the Indian Place on 7/7. They must do all delivery business.
Belleville used to have an outstanding steak tartar. It's off the menu now - their other stuff is fine, but not worth going out of one's way.
I've always had good luck with Yamato. That location is death to restaurants, but they might just stick. I hope so.
Yeah, a lot of us chi chi slopers might look down our noses at Tonio's but for an old school Italian fix, it's pretty darn good. -
Subject: AWFUL gnocci
The gnocci was rubbery and the server was NOT familiar with items on the menu or the wine list. The heirloom tomatoes were OK.
Visit date: September 2005 -
Subject: the Indian place on 7th and 7th
Honestly I think that place has to be a front for something. There is never anyone in there. Either it's a private social club or some illegal organization. And there's a flower shop in Carroll Gardens that, ahem, isn't really a flower shop. -
Oiseau wrote: Miracle Grill has the bad luck of being in a spot that can't seem to have a good restaurant in it. In the past ten years it seems as though that corner of 3rd st and 7th ave just keeps getting losers. WTF?
That's because the owners of said restaurants on 3rd street have been the same since Rex. They also own the Fujisan and Lemongrass Grill chains as well. They're not in the biz of providing examplerary cuisine. Just food that is mediocre and can be sold in volume that is served in a medium level ambient atmosphere -
Subject: Re: Park Slope Restaurants
famdoc wrote: Long-time Park Slope residents can recall when the nabe was a wasteland, restaurant-wise. Any decent restaurant was doomed by boomers who preferred fast-food or trips to Manhattan.
Speaking as a lifer of Park Slope, the assertion that there were never great eateries on 7th avenue is simply not true. In fact 7th avenue had a whole slew of good restaurants such as Dings Chinese, Villa Guillia, Misnky's, Snookies (back in the day of course), Bellamellio's deli, the Turkish place on 7th between 1st and 2nd street, Mr Falafel, etc. The downturn started when the owners decided to retire or were forced out by high rents.
Then came Cucina. And Al Di La. And Blue Ribbon. And Cocotte. And Belleville. And The Minnow. And now the explosion. What is clear is that the large number of restaurants on Fifth Ave. and the new additions on Seventh cannot all survive. How will things shake down? Well, people vote with their pocket books (and wallets and credit cards). Tastes change, but PS is full of people with sophisticated taste. What tasted good at Belleville two years ago doesn't taste as good now that you've tried Stone Park. Al Di La still creates masterpieces.
Blue Ribbon's fish is fresher than almost anywhere, except maybe The Minnow. A half-dozen sushi chefs around the slope create inventive sushi. Everyone likes to try the new place.
What's a person to do? Look for creativity. Look for value. Look for ambience. If you're 25 years old and want to drink, ambience means crowds and noise. If, like me, you're in your forties and accustomed to NYC restaurants, you want a quiet room, the ability to see and hear your dining companion, fresh, inventive food and good wine.
Communicate with fellow PSers about your experiences. This blog is one forum. An even better forum is chowhound.com. Don't be afraid to tell a waitperson, host or owner what you liked and what you didn't like about their restaurant. (I've eaten at Stone Park frequently since they opened. Following last year's two star NYTimes review, they copped an attitude, which only got more unpleasant during Brooklyn restaurant week. I shared my concern with a hostess and was happy to see things revert back to the old warmth I expected there).
A year from now, at least a dozen PS restaurants will be out of business.
That leaves three dozen to thrive and thrill our tastebuds. Support the restaurants that please you.
The 5th avenue boom started when two places brought attention to themselves for their cuisine and atmosphere. Cucina's , which was owned by the gentleman who also owned A&S Italian next door to Cucina and performed a master stroke by hiring Michael Ayuob as head chef, and 200 5th Avenue whose food might not have been great but was certainly plentiful, and offered a variety of beer. Combined with the decor 200 5th attracted a ton of business. Other restaurants started looking at 5th avenue as a cheaper rent alternative as well as an untapped market. Not that there are too many great restaurants on 5th avenue. -
J0518 wrote: no one has mentioned Bogota Bistro over on 5th and Douglass (don't hold me to that cross street), which is doing an amazing job after a few months. really good pan-latin, awesome drinks, and the kitchen is open until 1 AM. AWESOME chicken and potato empanada.
i hate lobo
no need to knock Sante Fe Grill. it may not be the best Tex-Mex I've ever had, it's a perfectly acceptable neighborhood restaurant that keeps the chips and salsa coming. besides, anything is better than Lobo.
Mango doesn't compare to Long Tan, but they're cheaper and ok for delivery. I went to Sette once and actually really liked the pasta dish I had, as well as the wine list.
has anyone had a burger from Elios yet? damn good job.
what about places like Melt on Bergen between 5th and 6th? the location is perenially doomed, and the menu put me to sleep. has anyone been there yet?
i've eaten there six times
they're just very practical cause i can tie up my dog to the fence
and cheap
but everything is too spicy
i've been to melt once for brunch
very good stuff
and i wanna go back for their vegetable plate for like $15 -
quijibo wrote: i've been to melt once for brunch
Mrs. C and I enjoyed our brunch at Melt a few weeks ago.
very good stuff
and i wanna go back for their vegetable plate for like $15 -
I'm not a big fan of Santa Fe's Tex-Mex, but they do make one of the best burgers in the slope! Who'd a thunk it?
J0518 wrote: no need to knock Sante Fe Grill. it may not be the best Tex-Mex I've ever had, it's a perfectly acceptable neighborhood restaurant that keeps the chips and salsa coming. besides, anything is better than Lobo.
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For a relatively inexpensive, good meal, I really feel like Magnolia (13th and 6th) is overlooked.
$25 prix fix every single day, moderately priced wine, consistently good food, and an attentive wait staff. -
JoanJettofArc wrote: For a relatively inexpensive, good meal, I really feel like Magnolia (13th and 6th) is overlooked.
I've always wondered about that place. I don't know a soul who's eaten there.
$25 prix fix every single day, moderately priced wine, consistently good food, and an attentive wait staff. -
Subject: Magnolia
I've eaten at Magnolia a few times. It's decent, albeit unimaginative fare. I'm still going for 12th St. B&G for that type of stuff -
The salmon burger at Miracle is really good. And the outdoor seating is nice. I ate at Sette with my girlfriend and her parents a week or two ago and we had a WONDERFUL meal plus several tasty wines, all at a fair price (well, her dad paid so it was a great price for us!). I'd go back (and have) to either place. They're close to my apartment, and the food is tasty. I dislike SotteVoce or whatever that place on 7th is called, their pasta sucks and the waiters over act. There is nothing like a fake Italian waiter. lame.
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