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  • mr. met
    mr. met
    Back to your point...are you suggesting that the Mexican drug cartels are not a major force involved in growing here in the US? Or distribution?
    just ignore it. that poster makes assertions with no effort to provide evidence.
  • prospectheightsyo
    prospectheightsyo
    Small amounts of drugs for private consumers are now legal in Mexico
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    mr. met wrote: Carnivore:

    i agree that prohibition is the larger problem here.

    but if you are a pot smoker and know that your weed is coming from Mexico, and you know the reputation of mexican drug gangs, how are you blameless?
    I'll assume that by "you" you mean "one."
    The violence is due to the law, not the use, so I don't blame the user.

    If some crazy person let it be known that every time the Yankees win a game they would kill someone, would you blame fans that route for the Yankees for the murders?
  • meredithb
    meredithb
    You folks think people should stop smoking weed because some Mexican drug cartels grow weed or deal in weed?

    Get real.

    Stop drinking alcohol because it supports alcohol producers and alcohol kills more people than marijuana could possibly kill. Oh but it's legal is your defense?

    Whatever. You are all buying into some propaganda put out by no other than the Dept of Justice aka the DEA aka the people who want you to believe that marijuana is supporting Mexican drug cartels.

    I know where mine is grown, that's all that matters. And I believe it is a victimless crime.

    Someday it will be decriminalized, just as it is in California. Until then, whatever indeed.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    I'll assume that by "you" you mean "one."
    i do
    The violence is due to the law, not the use, so I don't blame the user.
    for me, if the user is aware of the law, where the drug is coming from, and where his/her money is going, that gives the user some responsibility. he/she can get weed from somewhere else, or grow his/her own weed.
    If some crazy person let it be known that every time the Yankees win a game they would kill someone, would you blame fans that route for the Yankees for the murders?
    probably not. i'm not really convinced that this is a useful comparison, either.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    Stop drinking alcohol because it supports alcohol producers and alcohol kills more people than marijuana could possibly kill. Oh but it's legal is your defense?
    if alcohol producers were murdering people as a part of their trade, then maybe this comparison would make sense. but...this makes no sense. it has nothing to do with what the drug does to you. it has to do with how the producer conducts their business.
    I know where mine is grown, that's all that matters. And I believe it is a victimless crime.
    it is, in your case.
    Dept of Justice aka the DEA aka the people who want you to believe that marijuana is supporting Mexican drug cartels.
    it's all staged! these cartels do not exist!
  • meredithb
    meredithb
    jeffrey wrote: Perhaps you missed this:

    Marijuana growers sought in Calif. wildfire
    I seriously doubt any American buys marijuana from a Mexican drug cartel in California where it is decriminalized.

    And Mr. Met, seriously, you need to get a job or something.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    I seriously doubt any American buys marijuana from a Mexican drug cartel in California where it is decriminalized.
    another broad generalization that you have no way of verifying in the least
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    mr. met wrote:
    Stop drinking alcohol because it supports alcohol producers and alcohol kills more people than marijuana could possibly kill. Oh but it's legal is your defense?
    if alcohol producers were murdering people as a part of their trade, then maybe this comparison would make sense. but...this makes no sense. it has nothing to do with what the drug does to you. it has to do with how the producer conducts their business.
    But alcohol producers/traffickers WERE murdering people as part of their trade! It ended immediately as soon as Prohibition ended. The violence was due to the laws, not the alcohol consumption. If I had lived during the alcohol Prohibition era, I wouldn't have blamed people who drank alcohol for Al Capone's crimes either.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    MOD NOTE: Personal attacks are not allowed on Brooklynian. If you can't stick to the rules, you will have your posting privileges suspended.

    The offending post was removed from the thread.
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    I don't know where my weed comes from (all I do know is its comes from the same guy Willie Nelson goes to when he's in NY) and I can't grow my own (hello!). I DO know it doesn't come from Mexico.

    As for victimless, eh, so hard to tell. I don't necessarily believe the justice dept as I think they have their own agenda. Shit, if they didn't want drugs in this country, THERE WOULD BE NO DRUGS IN THIS COUNTRY! Someone is getting paid off, and that someone, I believe, is the US justice dept. Tin foil hat, you say? Meh. Prove me otherwise- but don't do it with links to any government propaganda.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    But alcohol producers/traffickers WERE murdering people as part of their trade! It ended immediately as soon as Prohibition ended. The violence was due to the laws, not the alcohol consumption.
    totally.
    If I had lived during the alcohol Prohibition era, I wouldn't have blamed people who drank alcohol for Al Capone's crimes either.
    i agree. but, when you are buying weed from Mexico, you ARE giving mexican drug cartels your money. that's all i'm saying.
  • meredithb
    meredithb
    51% Rate Alcohol More Dangerous Than Marijuana
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    mr. met wrote:
    If I had lived during the alcohol Prohibition era, I wouldn't have blamed people who drank alcohol for Al Capone's crimes either.
    i agree. but, when you are buying weed from Mexico, you ARE giving mexican drug cartels your money. that's all i'm saying.
    Just as during Prohibition, people who drank alcohol were giving the alcohol producers/traffickers like Al Capone their money. Why do you agree in the directly analogous case for alcohol, but not for cannabis?
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    Meredith:

    whenever someone posts any piece of evidence, you dismiss it immediately and counter with some opinion of your own, backed up by nothing. that's what you do. show me something other than a hunch you have that says that mexican marijuana cartels do not make money off of America.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    Just as during Prohibition, people who drank alcohol were giving the alcohol producers/traffickers like Al Capone their money.
    yup. they were funding criminals. same case with the mexican cartels today.

    good comparison on your part.

    during prohibition, americans were knowingly giving their money to murderers.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    alcohol is way more dangerous than marijuana. an irrelevant, but true, fact.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    I think we have a fundamental disagreement about where the blame lies here. Unjust laws are meant to be broken.
  • meredithb
    meredithb
    mr. met wrote: Meredith:

    whenever someone posts any piece of evidence, you dismiss it immediately and counter with some opinion of your own, backed up by nothing. that's what you do. show me something other than a hunch you have that says that mexican marijuana cartels do not make money off of America.
    I could really give a shit what you think. I know what I think of you and it is probably close to what many other people think of you.

    I HOPE Mexican drug cartels make money off of America by selling marijuana to Americans. You know why? Because that means that there are lots and lots of people smoking marijuana and perhaps it will show the US government that the war on marijuana is pointless and that they could be making some much needed tax revenue.

    But whatever, you just want to argue for arguments sake.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    I think we have a fundamental disagreement about where the blame lies here. Unjust laws are meant to be broken.
    yea, that sounds about right (where we disagree).

    we do agree about the larger, more important cause.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    I could really give a shit what you think. I know what I think of you and it is probably close to what many other people think of you.
    you've made this clear. you can drop it. unless your looking for another Mod Note.
  • bicicleta
    bicicleta

    Subject: It's Just a Plant

    Born in Prospect Heights:

    http://www.justaplant.com

    and for a bit more history:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/07/drug-czars-slideshow200907
  • meredithb
    meredithb
    MeredithB wrote: So, back to your point...are you suggesting that the Mexican drug cartels are not a major force involved in growing here in the US? Or distribution?
    Yes.
  • jeffrey
    jeffrey
    jeffrey wrote: [quote=MeredithB]So, back to your point...are you suggesting that the Mexican drug cartels are not a major force involved in growing here in the US? Or distribution?
    Yes.

    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'll just add that, having grown up on the West coast and with lots of family in Texas as well (that we visit often), I happen to disagree completely on the above point.

    Granted, way up / over here in NY, Perhaps everything feels a bit removed and abstracted from all that.
  • meredithb
    meredithb
    Having been in the marijuana "business" for over 25 years, I have my opinion based on what I know from experience. I do not think there is going to be an accurate poll from marijuana dealers or growers as to where exactly they get their weed.
  • jeffrey
    jeffrey
    MeredithB wrote: I do not think there is going to be an accurate poll from marijuana dealers or growers as to where exactly they get their weed.
    On that we definitely agree.

    Yes, the data tend to go up in smoke.

    :lol:
  • hatemail
    hatemail
    I like that this thread has stretched to Mexican Drug Cartels when some guy just wanted a bong on 5th avenue.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    so are we now saying that it is a matter of opinion whether mexican drug cartels traffick significant amounts of marijuana to the united states? this is in dispute?
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    I like that this thread has stretched to Mexican Drug Cartels when some guy just wanted a bong on 5th avenue.
    gotta do SOMETHING until 5 oclock
  • brooklynboyyee
    brooklynboyyee

    Subject: ..

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    6)CONSTANTLY CHANGE THE TOPIC AND PROMOTE OTHER POINTS AS EVIDENCE FOR THE POINT YOU NEVER PROVED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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