Please Help Me Buy a New Computer

So why do Macs break so much less?

they lost the war?

.....this is like saying Pepsi "lost the war" against Coke.

Despite the fact that Pepsi has millions of loyal drinkers and is hugely profitable for the company.

whynot_31 wrote: they lost the war?

.....this is like saying Pepsi "lost the war" against Coke.

Despite the fact that Pepsi has millions of loyal drinkers and is hugely profitable for the company.

they lost the hardware war, why are they on the same platform now? they are using standard commodity parts now.

its like pepsi using coke drink but with a pespi label.

the reason pc won the war is simple it was a open system vs mac's close system.

all the innovation was done for the pc not the mac because anyone can make pc parts, with the old mac you couldn't, only apple allow who they wanted to build for them.

with competition the pc have better graphics etc....and after a long time few years back mac went to x86 platform.

whynot_31 wrote: but AW, your argument seems state the only difference is the
operating system. ...which (as most agree) can be run on a PC or Macs

Clearly the designs are different...

one has a built in camera.
one has a smaller foot print.
one has a nicer keyboard.
one has a nicer mouse
one has a nicer tech support person

yada yada

a lot of folks seem to beleive you get what you pay for, and -um- decide to pay for Macs.

so, we are debating an operating system

alot of you guys are confusing windows with the pc!!! windows is built on the x86 aka pc platform, so are macs now days also built on the same platform.

stick to the os and you won't hear me talk. other wise any stupidity about oh how inferior the pc is etc.. is total bs.

oh i hate those mac commercials, they confuse the pc with the windows os.

last statement from me

linux,windows,mac all are on the pc~~~!!!!

I'm not even going to bother reading all of the shit-slinging in this thread, but I will confirm what AW says (I'm a hardware guy, too) - Macs are built on the same platform as PCs, now. Gone are the days of the IBM Power PC Macs. Mac doesn't build any of their own stuff, they source it elsewhere, like everyone else, and from the same places as everyone else.

armchair_warrior wrote: its the same freaking parts inside man!!!! its by the numbers!! the more people you have the more chances something will break. there are over a billion windows vs few million macs. both on a pc platform.

Trust me, when a responsible study says that other manufacturers fail more than Apple, they take into account the size of the pool they're drawing from.

I believe you that all the original parts come from the same place, but I don't think it's true that the only thing that explains why macs break less is because of viruses.

Boygabriel wrote: [quote=WhyFi]I'm not even going to bother reading all of the shit-slinging in this thread, but I will confirm what AW says (I'm a hardware guy, too) - Macs are built on the same platform as PCs, now. Gone are the days of the IBM Power PC Macs. Mac doesn't build any of their own stuff, they source it elsewhere, like everyone else, and from the same places as everyone else.

Can you shed any light on my questions then? Why do Macs do so well in comparison studies of breakdown & repair rates?

lol like all things depends on how much they paid their subcontractors and what type of components used.

When i work for a living, i had money to build my own gaming pc's they run well and are fined tune rarely have a problem, i update their dirvers and everything very often.

when i buy a mass marketed pc on the other hand, it comes prepackage with crap built in useless programs hogging resources and other things. it was built with everyone in mind with everything in it. that most users don't use, they try to cover the range of all users. thats where most problems come from the components where they are sourced and crap they crammed in for the generic user.

many moons ago some girl on the message board needed someone to replace a dvd drive on her mac, i ask her how much she paid for the "mac" part. she over paid. any drive would of done the job but her buying that "mac" label part cost more.

gamers are the lexus lol don't confuse us with truckers. our stuff is very high end.

<---thinks somebody should combine the Mac v PC thread with the Pepe's v DiFara's thread :-)

Boygabriel wrote: Can you shed any light on my questions then? Why do Macs do so well in comparison studies of breakdown & repair rates?

Can I answer specifically? No, but I can make a few guesses.

There are different levels of quality in hardware. I would guess that most stuff that's selected by Apple is in the middle of the road, in that respect (AW's right - the best-of-the-best hardware is for PC gaming geeks), whereas PC sales are going to skew towards the lower end - really shitty shit. More competition, more price sensitivity. Does this mean that Macs are just better? No, it just means that they don't have a low-end marring the overall numbers. There are plenty of mid-range PCs of equal quality and high-end PCs of superior quality. Take a look at manufacturers like Falcon Northwest, and stop comparing to the likes of compaq.

Care - it's pretty well established that Mac owners are, in general, more affluent. It's pretty well established that many see Macs as status symbols - IMO, they're probably less likely to be stuffed under or behind a desk, sucking in dust, etc, etc. Dust and heat build-up lead to a much shorter lifespan.

I wouldn't be surprised to see that Mac users tend to upgrade more often, and that PC users, on average, hold on to hardware longer - again, affluence and status. Number of failures at 2 or 3 years vs failures at 4 or 5 years are going to be far different.

I am affluent and seek status. .....news to me, but news I welcome. It is certainly better than my last fortune cookie.

P.s. Always add "in bed"

agree with whyfi about the affluence of the users. most pc's are work horses while that doesn't get upgrade that often till they reach their end of their life cycle, even where the mac's are work horses like being use by video editing and cad users, they still get upgraded more often.

look at the people who spent money on status symbols who isn't into working their macs nothing more than a glorified web browsing machine for the rest of the fad conscious crowd, only real work done on the mac that is probably better is for photo/video editing and cad work

I have use cad on the mac and only on the mac cause back in the day when i design houses and objects the cad stuff on windows at the time wasn't any good

ntfool wrote: Huh? AutoCAD wasn't any good on a PC? I went to architectural school in the early 90's, and we used were PC's with AutoCAD release 14.

come on you think i would of use a mac??? unless i was forced to!! at the time i couldn't afford a real version on my windows pc. I got myself a bootleg and it didn't work that well. so at the end i ended up using the schools crappy mac and it work well. other than that i never touch a mac ever!!

touching at mac before the x86 won would of been a sin among me and my gaming nerd friends!!!