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What Should Obama Do? (WSOD?)

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  • Obama: People Don't Feel I've Been Successful In Changing Washington (VIDEO)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/obama-successful-change_n_796433.html

    ....although when he was elected I was hopeful he'd have success, I think we've all since recognized he can't change Washington. ...even Obama himself seems to state the problems are beyond what a mere mortal can tackle.

    [Clearly, some are happy about this, while others are sad.]

  • Obama could make change if he ended his meaningless/unproductive allegiances and did what was right. For whatever reason he is acting like he has a shot at re-election, and looking to "compromise" instead of doing what's right.

  • I believe you are correct: He will be a one term president.

    ....health care is presently going down in flames as a result of the recent court decision about the feds overstepping their authority

  • ...health care is presently going down in flames as a result of the recent court decision about the feds overstepping their authority

    that's a bit of an over-statement.

    Health Care was a debacle for a lot of reasons, I don't think one comically inept federal judge is going to hasten this.

    Obama's presidency could be saved two ways:

    1. Tack left and actually support his base (I'm not holding my breath) and stand up for what American Democrats (not the ELECTED Democrats) believe in.

    2. Republicans put up an awful candidate. If Palin runs, Obama wins in a landslide.

  • Time will tell.

    ....the right is psyched about the court ruling, and will win in the court of public opinion, if not the law.

    Like many federal mandates, I suspect there will be very little the feds can do to states who find excuse after excuse to no implement it.

    A comparison to the roll out of electronic voting comes to mind.

  • Even the oh-so-not-ideological Roberts court will have trouble upholding this decision.

    http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/12/virginia-courts-bizarre-health-law.html

    http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/12/cant-think-of-another-one.html

    best quote:

    “The scholarly argument against the mandate pretty much runs this way: (1) There must be some limit on federal power; (2) I can’t think of another one; and therefore, (3) the limit must preclude the individual mandate.”

    other good ones:

    The Constitution gives Congress the power to “regulate Commerce . . . among the several states,” to “collect Taxes,” and to “make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper” to carry out its responsibilities. The commerce power has been understood for years to permit regulation of the national economy, which, the Supreme Court held in 1944, includes insurance. The mandate is also valid under the taxing power, which is not limited to objects of interstate commerce. The Court held in 1950 that a tax does not become unconstitutional “because it touches on activities which Congress might not otherwise regulate.” In carrying out its powers, Congress is given a broad choice of means by the necessary and proper clause; that was settled way back in 1819. This is why the two other federal district courts that previously considered challenges to the law had no problem throwing the cases out.

    Judge Hudson devised novel theories to get around all this well-settled law. First he held that the decision to go uninsured, and to rely on emergency rooms to provide care, is not economic activity and so is beyond the commerce power, even though it has obvious economic consequences. “If a person’s decision not to purchase health insurance at a particular time does not constitute the type of economic activity subject to regulation under the Commerce Clause, then logically, an attempt to enforce such provision under the Necessary and

    Proper Clause is equally offensive to the Constitution.”

  • And do you think those in support of health care will be as successful as getting those opinions out as those opposed to it?

  • Obama's presidency could be saved two ways:

    1. Tack left and actually support his base (I'm not holding my breath) and stand up for what American Democrats (not the ELECTED Democrats) believe in.

    2. Republicans put up an awful candidate. If Palin runs, Obama wins in a landslide.

    I don't think now is the time to look left. Or right. If dude wants to save his presidency he needs to solve the big problems that are affecting everybody, and look forward.

    If Palin runs, I think she has a frighteningly good chance of actually getting elected as a result of the increase in polarization of the left & right over the last decade, and her 'ger er done' attitude contrasting Obama's wishy washy can't do paralysis. The only thing that frightens me about Palin is that that attitude is combined with what appears to be a knowledge of the machinations of the world only deep enough to make talking points in rally speeches. We need someone smarter & less political, and I would vote for said candidate from either party

  • Obama was the smarter and less political of the two in the last election...

  • And do you think those in support of health care will be as successful as getting those opinions out as those opposed to it?

    Seems nebulous. What do you mean?

    Obama already lost the PR war. When Americans are polled about individual options they support almost every single one.

    When people say "GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE" people all the sudden decide they dislike it.

    This ruling should get challenged to the supreme court and like people smarter than me are arguing, the logic against it is almost comical.

  • I don't think now is the time to look left. Or right. If dude wants to save his presidency he needs to solve the big problems that are affecting everybody, and look forward.

    There are two questions here: what can Obama do to get reelected and what can Obama do in theory to fix problems. (these two things can be the same - or not)

    Needless to say, I think progressives have better ideas for things like health care, tax policy, jobs, infrastructure, the environment, and foreign policy.

    Splitting the difference in order to appease conventional thinking is precisely what got Obama to where he is right now.

    Obama needs to stop shunning his base. This is precisely what led to the losses of the last three presidents who failed to win a second term.

  • If Palin runs, I think she has a frighteningly good chance of actually getting elected as a result of the increase in polarization of the left & right over the last decade, and her 'ger er done' attitude contrasting Obama's wishy washy can't do paralysis.

    Current poll numbers do not bear this out.

    Palin doesn't have broad Republican support, even in a general election vs Obama or a Dem.

  • I have rarely in my life voted for a canditate I actually "like".

    As a result, I believe that voters don't have to like Palin. ...they can vote for her simply because they hate Obama.

    Much like I have done in the passed, they can hold their nose and cast their ballot.

    It won't be a vote "for Palin"; it will be a vote against Obama.

    ....don't under estimate moderates ability to hold their nose.

    Don't under estimate the fact that those who didn't vote in the last election may come out in droves in this election, and (perhaps needless to say) those who previously voted for Obama may return to their habit of not voting at all.

  • ....don't under estimate moderates ability to hold their nose.

    the evidence of the existence of a significant bloc of voters who switch parties each election is mixed at best. to me it's always seemed a strawman obsession of the traditional media, rather than something that's proven in each election.

    it's more about motivating your base than it is courting these mythical independents. Some ridiculously high percentage of people who self identify as independents vote for the same party like 75% of the time or something.

    ....don't under estimate democrats' ability to simply stay home.

    Like I said, current polls don't agree.

    And it works both ways. Never underestimate democrats wanting to vote in "anyone-but-palin"

  • I think the average Joe will vote FOR whoever he thinks he is responsible FOR the tax cuts that were just passed.

    ....s/he doesn't care about the deficit.

    Quick! Democrats state that you didn't sell out. State that you were for it all along!

  • The fact that Democrats couldn't catch the Repubs with their pants down - holding Congress hostage in return for the bush tax cuts specifically for millionaires - is unbelievable.

  • ....just wait until you see how the interruption in unemployment benefits is spun by the republicans:

    "Yes, your benefits were interrupted, but we did it so we could cut your taxes"

    Remember, average Joe doesn't know (or care) whether his wife's check got bigger because income taxes were cut or SS got cut. He will only notice that less is being taken out by the government.

    ....and he will credit the republicans.

  • America, ladies and gentlemen.

  • Speak of the devil (heh)

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/80126/why-obama-the-2012-favorite

    Mark Murray reads the latest WSJ/NBC poll and concludes that President Obama is in pretty strong shape:

    Despite all the bad news the White House has endured over the past several months -- an unemployment rate near 10%, the BP spill, the midterm results -- the president's standing has remained steady. His job-approval rating stands at 45% (which isn't far off from where it was a year ago, when it was 47%); his economic handling is at 42% (same as it was a year ago); and 72% say they like Obama personally, even if they don't like his policies. What's more, in potential 2012 match-ups, he bests Romney by seven points (47%-40%), Palin by 22 points (55%-33%), and a relatively generic candidate like John Thune by 20 points (47%-27%). Of course, Thune and Romney both hold him under 50%.

  • Minus Monica and her dress, Obama may be remembered like Clinton:

    Yet another present who tried and failed to reform health care.

    20 states are against it.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101217/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_overhaul_lawsuit

  • Obama will be remembered like Carter....

    If (Bill) Clinton were to throw his hat in the ring again, term limits be damned, it would be a landslide. The fact that he had + kept a surplus through 2 terms is enough for me. Politics and someone else's definition of progress be damned.

  • What would/could Clinton do differently? In this economy? Man, get ready for a permanent power shift. Learn Mandarin and buy land.

  • Obama will be remembered like Carter....

    If true it is because they had one thing in common - they failed to fix the mess created by a Republican.

  • I am hereby writing off anyone who assigns the blame of the country's current situation to one man or party as mentally deficient + voluntarily uninformed

  • ^^^ excellent New Years resolution

  • I am hereby writing off anyone who assigns the blame of the country's current situation to one man or party as mentally deficient + voluntarily uninformed

    Similarly I hereby write off anyone who assigns equal blame to Democrats and Republicans for the country's current situation as simple-minded + ignorant of reality.

  • Pls explain how the housing crisis and financial crisis were caused solely by the Republicans, outside of the actions of

    - banks

    - home buyers

    - home owners

    - businesses

    - debt laden consumers

    who all, as collective entities, don't pledge their allegiance to one party or another.

    Or what about the financial bailout that was engineered and voted in 3 to 1 by a primarily Democratic congress?

    What about the Community Reinvestment Act that was instrumental in creating the environment necessary to facilitate the biggest housing bubble in American history?

    Of course, the Republicans are in no way innocent.... but to heap the lion share of the blame for the current status quo of a country made of individuals & entities on one political party seems, IMHO, voluntarily ignorant, divisive, and intellectually dishonest. It's also diversionary as it steers conversations away from looking at problems critically + logically, and into the now outright destructive regression into meaningless partisan talking point battles....

    Nope... sorry... somehow in America its become the status quo to take a stance w/o substantiating it, and taking offense at being questioned, and I'm tired of it...

  • ah, the new year begins :)

  • Oh CTK my good friend - I said blame isn't equal, I didn't say it's all Republicans' fault.

    While we're so concerned with it: what's also voluntarily ignorant, divisive, and intellectually dishonest is the amount of assumptions you made (not for the first time) in that post about my broader arguments.

    What was the sub-topic of this thread? Ah yes, "the mess".

    There is a lot of "the mess" I ascribe primarily to Republicans (Our Pair of Unwinnable Wars, our bloated defense spending, our awful health care system, our detrimental and pathological aversion to government)

    And there are significant parts of "the mess" I ascribe primarily to Democrats (the housing bubble of 00's and deregulation of the 90's. Pretty much anything Alan Greenspan ever did or said).

    somehow in America its become the status quo to take a stance w/o substantiating it, and taking offense at being questioned, and I'm tired of it...

    lol @ mythical offense-takers. damn them!

    You know what status quo I'm tired of? Preachy "moderates" on tv and elsewhere who confuse myopic centrism with actual critical thinking about our problems and how they were created.

  • The community reinvestment act was in no way responsible for the largest housing bubble on record. No, for that we can blame the confluence of low interest rates (the fed kept rates too low for too long), excess savings (primarily from Asia) seeking attractive returns in the low yield environment , a poor incentive system by a sales driven Wall Street, and poor oversight by a regulatory system with too few resources. The housing bubble started as a sub-prime bubble, and that market was lit up in the private sector (Fannie and Freddie entered the game much later, when their market share was eroding). It is highly implausible the community reinvestment act, passed in 1977, fueled such a fire. Certainly the 2007 modifications to that act were implemented a minimum of 2 years after the bubble began to seriously inflate.

    And while the blame can be spread around, the private sector was willfully negligent in its behavior. They set up the origination machinery, with sick incentives to promote sales right now. In other words, the banks (Merrill, Lehman, Bear Stearns, Deutsche Bank, etc) set up a cottage industry with which it could transact at “arms length.” This limited (theoretically) the banks oversight of this industry, giving them cover for their culpability.

    Every mortgage backed bond sold yielded millions in fees. So there was a huge, huge incentive to pump out more. And pressure on the mortgage brokers to bring new mortgages to this market. Again, this was the private sector, not Fannie or Freddie.

    Of course, there is much government culpability. I can point to the Greenspan Fed, which ignored its duty to regulate the banks fraudulent loan machine (and it was just that, fraudulent), the Clinton Admin, which lobbied against the oversight of derivatives (specifically credit default swaps), and the Bush Admin, which basically ignored all fiscal and regulatory sanity. Of these, the Bush Admin was by far the most egregious. Putting the wrong people in charge (for example, Chris Cox at the SEC), lowering taxes too much, increasing spending too much (drug care coverage for Medicare), putting blind faith in markets without adequately assessing how incentives might work against constituents (example, the supposed self-regulatory interests of food and pharma companies—this hypothesis flies in the face of all economic common sense). He didn’t get it all wrong. He was ahead of the curve on our need to modify social security entitlements, but he failed in his endeavor to make meaningful (or, for that matter, any) change. These are facts that can be substantiated by credible media like the WSJ, NY Times, Crains, The Interest Rate Observer, The Economist, NPR, Bloomberg, and other content providers.

    I’d also like to put to rest the notion that spending more than our receipts necessarily leads to insolvency or crisis (and low interest rates do not cause inflation, which someone seemed to allude to in an earlier post, but that is another matter). The government has run deficits almost continuously for almost 50 years. If you look at positive inflection points in terms of acceleration of government deficits, they occur under republican administrations. Reagan and Bush II stand out here. The inflection (or second derivative if you prefer) turns negative during the “liberal” Clinton Admin. Hmmm. And yet we had, especially in the second half of the 90s, amazing investment in this country coming from abroad. Think of BMW factories in South Carolina, foreign steel in Alabama, etc. I can also think of a really good example of prolonged deficit spending in the private sector. It’s one that ended in amazing growth. Think Amazon, which many financial analyst (including myself) thought would certainly die in the early part of the 2000s because of a high cash burn rate, plus a new investment in physical infrastructure. The deficits ran, and ran, and ran, and yet they got new money. Last I checked, it turned out okay. It’s where the money goes that counts. Government spending isn’t necessarily bad. Especially when it goes to goods best provided by the public (or government) sector. Think military (the internet came from this spending), transit infrastructure, public health, etc. Along with the right investment in the right assets, we also need the right balance of government and private sector. Always shrinking the government for the sake of a larger private sector is not the answer. Taken to its logical conclusion, we might have privatized courts which issue justice in their own interest. Think of the private prisons in Pennsylvania which ended up unjustly imprisoning juveniles to fill its cells (they paid off a judge). Balance, balance, balance.

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