Prospect Heights Brokers and Rent?
Hey guys,
I'm looking to move to Prospect Heights in June and was wondering if I could get some insight/advice. I'm looking to rent a 2BR apartment and am capped somewhere around 1800/mo for rent. I'm also willing to pay a broker's fee to find this. Two questions:
a) Is this rent ceiling possible for the area?
b) Can anyone recommend any good brokers who deal with the area?
Any help would be much much appreciated!
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I think it might be a harder to come by for "real" Prospect Heights unless you find a serious hookup(boundaries of "real" Prospect Heights on the north-south boundary are Atlantic and Eastern Parkway and to the west to east are Flatbush and Washington Ave). Because of buzz about the neighborhood 1 BRs can go for as much $1800 now. Hookups and deals can be found but you need to act fast if you find them.
You should have no problem finding a 2 BR for this price in Crown Heights or Prospect Lefferts Garden though. Many realtors will show you apartments in Crown Heights anyway and call it Prospect Heights so be aware.
I have never actually rented an apartment that I found with a broker- I have always found great apartments through word of mouth or Craiglist. On my last apartment search I did work with the brokers and one of the best of the lot was Marjorie Thompson, the owner of Washington Realty. She has been a broker in the area for 20+ years and before this area was "hot". She came with recommendations from multiple friends and acquaintances and managed to show me several great apartments.
Also Alma Realty represents the apartments from the Jewish Hospital conversions. Technically in Crown Heights but you can certainly find a nice 2BR (though smallish IMO) in your price range. I have friends who adore life in that complex though the place isnt really my scene. Hope this helps.
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Hmmmm. Well I suppose if we are vigiliant enough we can maybe find something that low. I know that Washington Ave is the traditional Eastern border for PH, but can anyone comment on the safety of the "transition streets" like Grand, Classon, and Franklin?
I also don't know very much at all about Prospect Lefferts Garden. What streets/areas should I be looking at there?
I only ask because, though I am a male, I will be living with a single white female.
And thank you for the broker tips. I will seek them out!
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I have friends who live on Rutland Road in PLG, between Bedford and Rogers. Their block is an absolute dream, as are neighboring blocks (Fenimore and Midwood).
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I would stay west of Franklin and closer to EP. I didn't spend much time south of EP when I lived in CH but it seemed much nicer than the north, and of course you have the 2345/S right there.
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I am not personally a fan of Ms. Thompson. There has been talk about her practices on these boards over the years, feel free to do a search.
Erica Sullivan is with Prudential Douglas Elliman. She lives in the area and is very familiar with all, as well as being very nice, helpful, and pro-active. [email protected]
As stated above, I think $1,800 might be do-able for PH, but likely difficult to find. My wife and I have lived just past Franklin for almost 7 years (moved from PH) and have never had a problem. While the neighborhood has changed quiiiite a bit in the time we moved in, stuff certainly still goes down (obvious dealing in certain corners of Franklin, multiple shootings every summer on those same corners). Classon certainly has the feel of Prospect Heights, though not a whole lot of services directly on the avenue (just the wine bar, I think). Grand has more if an industrial feel to it.
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One thing to note. The reason that PLG has such a nice feel is that many of the homes were built with a restriction that they could only be used as one-family homes (this is most homes in the historic district). Over time people have done things like convert garden levels into apartments, but those are illegal and the buildings don't have a C of O for multiple families. The odds are if you are in one of those places, no one will come after you or the landlord, but its still something to be aware of.
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Why are you interested in moving to Prospect Heights specifically? Answering that question might help folks answer some of your question and open up other neighborhoods you also might be interested in(Clinton Hill, Bedstuy, Sunset Park, Ditmas Park etc etc)
I dont know how to answer the question about safety. As a single woman I feel safe walking around the neighborhood and I live beyond the "transition" area. And oftentimes these questions to Brooklynian boil down to "Will I as a {insert race here} be safe?"
I am not sure this is a question someone else can answer for you. Do some research on crime stats that are of interest to you and walk around the neighborhood. Either you feel comfortable or you dont. When in doubt, dont move the area in question.
Generally in Prospect Height/Crown Heights I wasnt very excited about the blocks between Atlantic and St Marks from Washington to Franklin. They have a very industrial feel and the housing stock, blocks werent as pretty and I didnt like the vibe. But use google street view and walk around and get a sense of where you like the vibe. I also like Crown Heights south of EP especially down to Crown Street and over to Bedford.
In term of PLG, I loved the blocks within the historic district. And PLG has all the things that I loved about Prospect Heights when I moved there years ago- which sadly are gone. So I would look anywhere from Sterling Street and as far south to Fenimore Street between Ocean and Bedford Ave. This is not to stay the streets outside of that area are bad- just that I liked the aforementioned blocks more. And short walk to the park and train was an important consideration of mine.
I dealt with alot of brokers in my last apartment search and there were only two that I would have not been bummed about giving a broker fee to (Marjorie Thompson was one of them and the other was Raheem Jones at 347-635-4330 who shows alot of properties in PLG). There were a few other that were OK and you can PM me in interested. And recs can only go so far since people can have wildly different experiences especially once you hand over the deposit.
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Homeowner, my own brownstone does not have a C of O. The conversion from one- to two-family occurred before C of O's became necessary, and, according to my real estate lawyer and the title company, the building is grandfathered and the absence of a C of O is irrelevant.
The same may be true of many buildings in PLG.
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I think PLG actually has something different. I dont know if its a convenant exactly but something about the single family homes always remaining single family homes. There are many buildings in the city that dont have C of O because they were built prior to 1932. And because of the time they were built they actually dont necessarily need a C of O and can still legally have an apartment (I live in one of these).
Anyway whats great about PLG is the diversity of the housing stock: large prewar buildings, smaller pre war apartment buildings, limestones and wood frame detached houses. So there is a lot of great housing to choose from.
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Maybe I'm mixing my metaphors, but there is certainly some sort of restrictive covenant on the historic district. Those homes are all supposed to be single family only buildings.
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Hey all,
Thanks so very much for the helpful comments in terms of rent and neighborhoods and also for the broker recommendations.
I think I have broadened my search at this point. The 1800 cap for a 2BR still stands, but outside of Prospect Heights (and the "transition streets) I am also going to look into Lefferts Gardens within the boundaries mentioned. I also have a few listings that I am going to look at in the South Slope/Gowanus area. Can anyone comment on Fourth Ave around 14th street in Park Slope? I have been told to go not go south of 16th street and west of 4th ave.
Basically, safety is of paramount importance here. Beyond that it would be nice to be within 10 minute walking distance to a subway and to have groceries around. I think PH, LG, and Park Slope (though maybe not so much South/Gowanus?) fit those bills.
So the consensus then is that I should look into PLG and that I will be able to find apartments within my rent rage there? Anyone have any advice on Gowanus/South Slope strips?
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homeowner said:
Maybe I'm mixing my metaphors, but there is certainly some sort of restrictive covenant on the historic district. Those homes are all supposed to be single family only buildings.Yup.
Some blocks in PLG actually even have little "single family homes" signs posted on the poles, to discourage owners from creating apartments, and encourage neighbors ratting on each other.
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Homeowner here, not sure when in June you would like to move, but I will have top floor apartment free towards end of June/July 4 weekend. One bedroom plus den, eat-in kitchen, tons of closet space. Renovated last June. On Eastern and Bedford so very safe in all respects. Just give me contact info and I will send pics and more details.
Good luck in your search!
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I have been told to go not go south of 16th street and west of 4th ave.
MPC, who is giving you information??? If you trust the person that said dont go south of 16th street in South Slope then they would likely tell you will get shot or mugged in the "transition" streets of Crown Heights and ditto for PLG. South Slope (south of 16th street) from what I have seen is totally fine unless there is some trouble area I am forgetting- public housing doesnt count IMO. Gowanus is ugly as hell in my opinion but it has "a scene" and is as safe as the parts of Crown Heights you are considering.
Basically, safety is of paramount importance here. Beyond that it would be nice to be within 10 minute walking distance to a subway and to have groceries around.
Umm thats too many places to count in NYC. I dont want to make you search more complicated but there are lots of hoods that can fit your bill besides the ones that have been mentioned (Kensington, Windsor Terrace, Bay Ridge, Sunset Park, Ditmas Park etc etc). But do your research. Make google street view and padmapper.com your friend. Also take a look at the NY Times crime map. Also read past threads on Brooklynian- though be aware that things change.I dont know if you live in the NY metro area but visit the areas you are interested in living in. Go on a Saturday and late at night, see who gets off at the metro station after work like at 6pm. You can see if you would be comfortable there.
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