big building on northeast corner of Lincoln Pl. and Bedford
just curious.
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The buildings on Bedford were all showrooms for car manufacturers in the early 1900's. The Studebaker building still has the original placard on the front, and if I recall correctly there were three or four others on that stretch as well. The old theater on Bedford is further north, I think on Dean Street on the west side of the street. Its now a church.
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Yes. The building originally was a cinema. It was converted to a church in the mid to late '70s. The building on the diagonally opposite corner was once a car showroom. In the late '60s it morphed into the New Muse (a community museum of sorts) with lots of interactive fun exhibitions, etc. The Studebaker building is down Bedford (at Bedford and Sterling). The building also was a car showroom. It's now a landmarked residential building. Opposite...I think it's the New Life Church now...was the original Loehmann's store (until the late '60s.). The church has pretty much maintained the original facade, dragons and all.
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I heard somewhere that the New Muse actually housed the Brooklyn Children's Museum for awhile. Apparently there was a move afoot to relocate it out of Crown Heights which by then had become a "bad n'hood". According to Ms. Rosella Johnson, ladies of the neighborhood held baked sales to raise the money to get the old Chilrden's Museum demolished and a new structure built. That structure was in turn just incorporated in the new "Big Bird" museum just reopened this year. I'd be interested if anyone else has heard this story.
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Someone could develop a really hip bar /restaurant in some of those structures off Bedford...
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I don't know. The white building on the southwest corner has been tried as an assortment of catering halls/restaurants over the years (for at least twenty) and no one has ever really been able to make it fly.
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i've been thinking the defunct brew house on Bedford and Prospect Pl. (or St. Mark's, I forget which) would make a great bar; upper deck in the summer, man. just need some risk-takers with money.
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You mean the large building that now houses a church, right? The one that also has a hat shop?
It was once the grand Fox Savoy Theatre. There's some good info (and links to historic photos) here:
http://cinematreasures.org/theater/6069/
With the Kameo just down the street on Eastern Parkway and Nostrand (with outdoor rooftop screen!!), this neighborhood was once home to some great movie houses. Too bad that times have changed.
The old Slave Theatre on Fulton is up for sale. Are there any enterprising film buffs out there with the resources to bring the movies back to the area? -
The Black Lady is also up for sale, right here on Nostrand and Park Place. Both the Slave and the Black Lady were owned by Judge Phillips. The Black Lady actually has stadium seating as I recall and a stage. Any ideas???
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The church actually has been sold and is going to be demolished in a month to build some high rise condos and stores.
If you are ever at the Brooklyn Library in Grand Army Plaza, the historical society there on the second floor has some newspaper articles for when it was built as a movie theater.
It's truly a tragedy that such an amazing historical relic is going to be demolished.
Someone also recently told me that in the early 80's or so, they used the place as a disco nightclub, which must have been incredible.
Now it just houses a population of cats for the newbie hipsters to the hood to walk by and say "Oh how cute."
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Do you have any additional details on the new building? Who is building it?
Thanks.
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I also have heard that the building will soon be demolished, and the site re-developed. As a result, I decided to do a little digging.
But first, here's some photos of the site we are talking about:
http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2010/11/building-of-the-183/
As stated above, the property is owned by Charity Baptist Church. However, I have heard that they do not use the large theater portion of the building, because it is in a state of disrepair and their congregation is not that large.
It isn't clear to me that the property has officially changed hands, so we may just have an "option to purchase" at this point.
However, I'm pretty certain we are soon going to see demolition and development begin soon (say, over the course of the next 2 years) because a LLC has recently been formed:
NOTICE OF FORMATION OF 1515 Bedford Avenue Realty LLC.
Articles of Organization filed with the Secretary of State of NY (SSNY) on 03/07/2012. Office location: Kings County. SSNY has been designated as agent upon whom process against it may be served. The Post Office address to which the SSNY shall mail a copy of any process against the LLC served upon him is 1515 Bedford Avenue Realty LLC, 522 Lefferts Avenue, Suite Gr, Brooklyn, NY 11225. Purpose of LLC: To engage in any lawful act or activity.http://legal-notice.org/llc-notice/ny/kings/2012/1515-bedford-avenue-realty-llc
It is a BIG site, and I understand that the developers are currently in the process of submitting plans to the city and investors.
http://nyc-property-values.findthedata.org/l/1363130/1515-Bedford-Avenue
The LLC shares an address with a firm called Realty Within Reach.
If I get my hands on plans for the site, I'll post them ...but I think it is reasonable to assume that after demolition and construction, we will have a new, multi-story building featuring market rate condos or apartments.
...as a result of being at a geographic high point, the higher floors will have views of Manhattan and command in excess of $700 a sq ft....
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Looks like the church is in the final stages of moving out of there - floors look to be mostly empty.
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Friday they took out stove and kitchen parts. Today they packed up uhauls with a lot of chairs and tables. They also removed light fixtures and the organ in pieces.
Does anyone know who if anyone is taking care of the cat colony that live in the brick part of that building?
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I do not know about the fate of the cats, but I would advise them to move quick. ...The building is slated for demolition.
Does anyone know how high the new building is supposed to be? The last I heard, it was supposed to be a mix of subsidized and market rate units.
Possible timeline:
Demolition and excavation, Fall and Winter 2012 - 2013.
Pour foundation, Spring 2013.
Fun with steel, Summer 2013.
Facade, Fall 2013
Interior work, Winter and Spring 2013 - 2014.
Occupancy, Summer 2014.
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Will there be first floor retail?
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It is zoned R-6, which (since we are talking about new construction in a somewhat expensive area of NYC) generally means that it will become a 7 - 13 story building.
As a general rule, buildings must provide more open space around them, relative to their proposed height. So, I predict tall a building that will take full advantage of the land's already high geographic point to provide views of Manhattan and the bridges.
In terms of commercial, R-6 sites have a C-1 or C-2 overlay, meaning "yup, it could have ground floor retail".
...whether it WILL have these things depends on the market conditions that the builders/investors perceive.
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It's a shame it couldn't be saved.
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Several of the churches along EP used to be theaters, that have been "saved" (pardon the pun).
Still other theaters are in disrepair and falling down, like the Slave, which might be saved
The Kings Theater, on Flatbush, is being brought back to life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_Theatre_(Brooklyn,_New_York)
If you have ever been to Flushing, you have likely seen the old, massive RKO theater, which (after being stuck in discussion for decades) is slotted to become apartments and retail.
Here's a list of former theaters in Brooklyn, some are shells waiting for a new life.
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On a (geographically)-related note - what's up with the gas station on the corner of Bedford and Eastern Pkwy? They've stopped selling cigarettes and lottery tickets, and they've taken down one of the big red LED signs. Trouble with NY State, or a prelude to closing?
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I love the smell of asbestos in the air in the morning....it smells like victory! The site was trapped/baited 10 days back or so.
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Next step: Con Ed, the gas company and the water company come by to turn off all of the utilities.
Then, advance crew of the demolition team spray paints markings on the building, indicating where the structural and electrical elements are.
Then, side walk scaffolding and a wall appears.
Finally, the monsters arrive:
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Late Feb 2013. Demolition has yet to begin.
Clearly, this timeline is not going to happen:
whynot_31 said:
I do not know about the fate of the cats, but I would advise them to move quick. ...The building is slated for demolition.Does anyone know how high the new building is supposed to be? The last I heard, it was supposed to be a mix of subsidized and market rate units.
Possible timeline:
Demolition and excavation, Fall and Winter 2012 - 2013.
Pour foundation, Spring 2013.
Fun with steel, Summer 2013.
Facade, Fall 2013
Interior work, Winter and Spring 2013 - 2014.
Occupancy, Summer 2014.
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It has begun. The grate on the Bedford entrance is mostly rolled up. When I peeked in a little while ago I saw there were construction type lights* hung all through the inside and there is a small construction type vehicle* with a big grabby part in the front only just inside the front doors and one man bringing pieces out.
I was a little surprised by how small the operation is. Tomorrow I'll try to bring my phone to take a picture if WhyNot doesn't beat me to it.
*I know nothing, nada, zip about construction equipment. This was a very little monster though.
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Something like this?
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Similar, but it had a top part to hold what the scooper thing grabbed. Similar size though.
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sounds like interior demolition:
Seats, furniture, non-load bearing walls.
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The Department of Buildings and/or FDNY has now put "this building is vacant" marking on the outside walls.
Readers, it shouldn't be long now....
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Those who like old theaters in Brooklyn might enjoy this bike ride, which focuses on them:
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Anyone know who is running this s*&t show, er, inept process? For the last week there was a hose running from the hydrant on Lincoln into the building under an old door. Today that hose is gone and I saw a worker clomp out with a big wrench and open the hydrant to wash his hands. Me thinks that's not standard building code? Besides this the process is going insanely slowly with limited people and the one vehicle every week or so.
I haven't seen any permits on the building. If they ever get past this tiddly, pick-up-a-few-pieces-and-put-in-dump-truck stage and actually demo the building I hope they have their acts a little more together. For the sake of the Pre-school next door if nothing else.
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