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big building on northeast corner of Lincoln Pl. and Bedford

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  • The demolition permit states who is supervising the work.

    whynot_31 said:

    The demolition permit:

    http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=320562985&passdocnumber=01

    http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BScanJobDocumentServlet?requestid=4&passjobnumber=320562985&passdocnumber=01&allbin=3032187&scancode=SC120413003

    Anyone know if getting DOB markings also means that all utilities have been shut off? ...seems logical.

    In terms of hydrants, I have seen water from hydrants routinely used for dust control, and things like making cement.

    It sounds as if they are still in the stage where they are salvaging metals and scrap.

    Given its arched roof and huge interior void, I am interested in seeing how they go about demolishing this thing.

  • Here's specs on the existing building: http://www.fastaddressinfo.com/1515_Bedford_Ave_Brooklyn_NY_11216_3012530001.htm

    I'd really like to get the plans for the new building, and assume they will be published before construction occurs.

    ...first we need demolition.

  • I think I may have gained some insight as to why demolition has not yet begun.

    You see, the developers appear to have requested that this plot be up-zoned, and a decision will be made in the present process that re-zones CH West of Nostrand.

    If you look closely on the map below, you will see a R7D IZ proposed for Bedford and EP.

    stay with me. don't be scared.

    Basically, this would allow a much larger building than the present R6 designation.

    If the developers are successful, this building will be massive, and they may bundle the demolition costs as part of the overall Cost-ROI pitch to investors.

    Ok, now for some math:

    An R7D has a 4.2 FAR, and if the developers decide to take the affordable housing incentive "IZ", this could increase the FAR to over 5.0 (4.2 x 1.2).

    Translation: A really big, tall, building would be allowed.

    related reading:

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/zone/zh_r7d.shtml

    http://loho10002.blogspot.com/2006/11/zoning-for-dummies-ii-whats-affordable.html


  • A big huge building there sounds awful. What are the odds they're going to be able to rezone that little section? Do you think they'll just grease the palms of whoever is in charge? A building that like would stand out horrifically in the area.

  • If greasing of the palms is required, it has likely already happened: This map is the proposal of the Dept of City Planning.

    It now goes thru a few comment periods with CB8 and and the Boro Pres Office.

    People want "affordable housing", and this would cause some affordable units to be built in exchange for a larger building. Nothing is free....

    ...even if affordable units are not built, this building will likely be tall, so it can provide the maximum number of units with views of Manhattan.

    Note: When affordable units are built, they are often on lower floors.

  • Yeah, and I'm not sure I can be bothered to find the link, but I recently read that "affordable housing" is for people earning in the rough area of $60,000-$125,000 a year. When given that option developers serve the highest end of that spectrum so it's not even really all that affordable.

  • The definition is often based on 60% of area median income.

    Yes, their goal is to house the "best off, best behaved, and most credit worthy" of that demographic.

  • Tall buildings near subway stations make sense to me. More apartments overall means less competition.

  • Starting with the Meier building at GAP, we seem to have a tall building at every intersection on EP, all the way thru Franklin.

    The one being built on Franklin will be 8 stories. I hope to impersonate a potential buyer of a top floor unit to get to see the view on open house day.

  • Will you please take good pictures? I'm a little surprised the developers didn't buy the day care next to the theater and make an even bigger building lot.

  • whynot_31
    edited April 2014

    Based on the dumpster out front, interior demolition seems to be continuing.

    Yes, I will take pictures....

  • Brownstoner picked up this thread today, May 21, 2013, and adds that the property sold for $575k

    Yup, the guy "Montrose Morris" describes as telling her about this site on the tour is yours truly.

    http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2013/05/building-of-the-day-1515-bedford-avenue/#more-114515

  • August 1, 2013

    If all goes according to plan, the lot that the theater is on will be upzoned on August 7, 2013.

    Discussion of pending zoning changes: http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/topic/crown-heights-west-zoning-fun

    Soon afterward, I expect architect plans that are compliant with the new zoning code in effect for this lot to be filed with DOB.

    Spoiler alert: It is going to be BIG. There is going to be a lot of press about it.

    1515 Bedford Avenue,

    Brooklyn NY 11216

  • On Sept 24, the City Council finally passed the zoning changes jabbered about above.

    At this very moment, some architect is putting the finishing touches on a huge document that describes their intentions. It will then be sent to DOB and investors.

    Then, websites with paid staff (Curbed NY and Brownstoner) will beat me at this game and publish photos of the renderings.

  • whynot_31
    edited September 2014

    We now move to the question on the minds of some people: Are the tax and zoning incentives large enough that the developer will choose to participate in affordable housing rental programs such as 421-a, or 80/20?

    My prediction: Given that the building will likely provides view of much of Manhattan as well as the Verrazano Bridge, I suspect that they will instead build market rate condos, or rentals.

    If the developer does choose to create "affordable units", they will not meet the definition of affordable used by the people rapidly being priced out of the area. They will instead be perceived as affordable only to those who are rapidly moving in.

  • whynot_31
    edited February 2014

    whynot_31 said:

    Brownstoner picked up this thread today, May 21, 2013, and adds that the property sold for $575k

    Yup, the guy "Montrose Morris" describes as telling her about this site on the tour is yours truly.

    http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2013/05/building-of-the-day-1515-bedford-avenue/#more-114515

    In return for the low purchase price, the developer must reportedly provide space for the church in the first floor of the new building. I'm also hearing that low income church members will get preference for some of the units, and that a total of 120 units are being considered.

    Note, much of this may be subject to change.

  • Workmen have started putting up scaffolding around this site. Assuming demolition to follow.

  • Yup, plans were recently filed and today (Nov 21) the real estate press is jumping on it:

    buzzbuzz wrote: In Crown Heights, a new 114-unit building is coming to 1515 Bedford Avenue, formerly home to a 1926 theater.

    Located on the corner of Lincoln Place, the 10-story, 90,806-square-foot project will be designed by Issac & Stern Architects. The developer is Realty Within Reach, according to the plan exam application filed November 18th. The building will include underground parking for 30 cars, storage, a laundry room, rooftop recreational space and first-floor retail space.

    http://news.buzzbuzzhome.com/2013/11/1515-bedford-crown-heights.html

    http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2013/11/huge-apartment-building-to-replace-fox-savoy-theater-in-crown-heights/?ic_source=ic-featured-frontpage-top

    10 Stories is pretty high, and definately the result of the recent rezoning that was passed.

    However, so far I have not seen any mention of the developer taking the incentives to build even higher and include "affordable housing", so the planned building might be all market rate, or it may have affordable units that are not open to the public and don't qualify for the incentive (ie are just for the members of the church).

    The rooftop recreational space sounds awesome, and will allow views in all directions.

  • The Daily News got an interior photo, and ran an article today. It looks totally gothic.

    They state that Brownstoner broke this story, even though it was broken by Brooklynian long before then, and Brownstoner cites yours truly as a source. I am glad I am not in this for credit.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/historic-theater-razed-article-1.1525197

  • And, for extra fun, here's a photo that shows what the exterior of the theater and the surrounding neighborhood looks like in 1929.

    You'll have to click, because the photo is copyrighted, and won't allow me to embed.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/brad_smith/7137876735/in/set-72157623906403776

  • Nov 30

    Workers have now erected scaffolding all the way to the roof. As part of this process, the rusting metal fire escapes have been removed:

    Demolition of the structure looks like it will start soon.

    Cold, dangerous, labor intensive work.

  • whynot_31
    edited February 2014
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  • Dec 19

    It appears the water towers will be next to be removed.

  • Architectural MURDER plain and simple

    I have been riding past this building for six months now and always love the massive windowed arches. Last time i rode by I saw the scaffolding of doom. I crossed my fingers while reading the NYDOB notices hoping it was an exterior renovation, but alas, this, like so many other treasures before it, will be destroyed. If Yosi at Realty Within Reach happens to read this, SHAME. You have no vision beyond the thickness of your wallet.

  • The water towers have now been removed.Preparations appear to be underway to attack the roof.
  • Here are pics of the new building. Mix use building, residential and community facility.10 story over cellar, approximately 110,000 sf and 114 residences.
  • Condo or rental?
  • whynot_31
    edited July 2014
    naturegirlbk-I tracked the renderings dmiami posted to the website of Issac Stern. http://www.issacstern.com/projects_residential.html   Sadly, the site does not state what kind of apartments they will be.

    Moving on, I do like that the side that faces Lincoln will resemble the look and scale of the existing "white" row houses to the right. Only the actual corner of Bedford and Lincoln is "big and blocky"
  • Since the last time I walked by, they have begun removing the roof of the former theater. The arched steel beams that held up the roof are now visible.I would have taken a photo, but it was too dark out to get a good shot.
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