This Neighborhood is Going to Shit

guvna · December 2007

restassured wrote: [quote=Guvna]"coming into the neighborhood again"??? These 'kids' most likely live in the neighborhood. Just a thought.

I meant in the immediate area. Whoops. I'm sorry I made you go to the trouble of hitting shift and "/" three consecutive times.
Oh, so the 'kids" dont live in the immediate area? Dont bother defining immediate, as it is immediately clear that you havent a clue what you are talking about. :roll:

See what I did there?

mr. met · December 2007

ah, my mistake about the self-respect stuff.

from your tone, it just sounds like you're blaming the victims of these crimes for not being tough enough...like theyre asking for it or deserve it in some way. and if they had grown up in brooklyn then it wouldnt be happening to them. i dont know...i just disagree.

restassured · December 2007

Guvna wrote: Oh, so the 'kids" dont live in the immediate area? Dont bother defining immediate, as it is immediately clear that you havent a clue what you are talking about. :roll:

See what I did there?

Wait, so the teenagers who I haven't, to my knowledge, ever seen on the block before or after I was mugged, are definitely residents of my block or my part of Prospect Heights, and not a neighboring area like Crown Heights, South Slope, or Lefferts Garden? I was responding to the idea that if someone in my position were to have stood up to robbers, they would not return to the vicinity of the crime.

You decided to throw a mild punctuation fit over a phrase that you decontextualized. No need for all the sassiness.

carnivore · December 2007

restassured wrote: ...my part of Prospect Heights, and not a neighboring area like Crown Heights, South Slope, or Lefferts Garden?

Just for the record, South Slope isn't a neighboring area, North Slope is.

Carry on...

bfid · December 2007

On the topic of random assults...

On sunday, 12/9/2007, my wife was assulted on her way home from work. She was at 68th and Park at 5:30 PM. As she was crossing the street some guy kicked her in the back. She was with one of her girlfriends that she works with when this happened. A witness to the asssult told her that the guy was running when he did a "flying kick" into her back. My wifes elbow was shattered. When she was on the ground she saw her girlfiend screaming at the guy as she helping her up. My wife turned to the guy and he just looked at her like she should have expected to have been kicked. She does not remember seeing him before this. The guy then just walked away. I think that if this was a mugging she might be have a little easier time getting over what happened. The random and senseless nature of the crime has both of us shaken.

I don't think this is solely a PH issue.

guvna · December 2007

restassured wrote: [quote=Guvna]Oh, so the 'kids" dont live in the immediate area? Dont bother defining immediate, as it is immediately clear that you havent a clue what you are talking about. :roll:

See what I did there?

Wait, so the teenagers who I haven't, to my knowledge, ever seen on the block before or after I was mugged, are definitely residents of my block or my part of Prospect Heights, and not a neighboring area like Crown Heights, South Slope, or Lefferts Garden? I was responding to the idea that if someone in my position were to have stood up to robbers, they would not return to the vicinity of the crime.

You decided to throw a mild punctuation fit over a phrase that you decontextualized. No need for all the sassiness.
Decontextualized? As if you provided ANY context at all prior to being show the absurdity of your remark.

Okay, so you recognize all of the residents in your "immediate area" do you? Accept the fact that you do not know where these people live. Assuming that they are not from your "immediate area" when they are far more likely to live within walking distance is laughable. "Tough" white guys wont be chasing kids away from their own neighborhoods. Move on to the next ridiculous idea. :roll:

restassured · December 2007

Jesus, I'm doomed to have people not actually read the thread or what I write anywhere I post on this board.

I didn't argue that these robberies of late were done by people in the neighborhood or people not in the neighborhood. The only reason I even brought that up was in response to SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEA that we need to return to an age where "tough white kids" (NOTE HOW IT'S IN QUOTATION MARKS BECAUSE I DIDN'T PROPOUND THIS MYSELF) fended off intruding kids of other ethnicities who intend to rob affluent white people.

And my original point dealt with what I perceived as the futility of fighting back personally, but of course that was clouded by your taking virulent issue with one fraction of a response to a hypothetical scenario that I didn't even agree with.

Thanks for making this into a really valuable dialogue on nothing.

And is it really that hard to rob someone in Prospect Heights and walk ten blocks to another bordering neighborhood?

restless native · December 2007

Once again, as with the "bigger" people kiddie thing, you all are missing the whole boat.

Robbery and muggings are one thing. There's a lot of people out there with no money, and they are willing to take risks to get it, even the risk of possibly having to go at it with a would-be victim who decides to fight back. That has never changed. I know some pretty hard characters that have been robbed at gunpoint. It happens.

On the other hand, with regards to punching/spitting on random people, some punk is usually not going to take a gamble on assaulting some random person if he thinks that person is actually going to fight back. He is going to go for what he believes to be an easy target. Trust me.

Most of these kids are cowards (when I say 'coward' I use that term very relatively around here

) and are not looking to end up shooting the fair one with some random dude (translation for some of you: engaging in one-on-one physical altercation with another individual) - they are simply looking to get a little ego boost and something to brag about to their friends.

Random assault is the product of sheer anger and animosity. In this sense it's different from murder (which almost always involves personal relationships or drugs) or robbery. I think this rise in assaults we are seeing city-wide is a result of widespread animosity against a certain type of individual who is perceived to be the cause of many a New Yorker's current problems (whether true or not), and that type of person just so happens to be an easy target most of the time. So, you see the kind of phenomenon that we are dealing with now. :idea:

restless native · December 2007

mr. met wrote:
and your comments about people new to the neighborhood are way off base as well. i'm sick of people talking about how they grew up in brooklyn. jesus, GOOD FOR YOU! you're tough! want a medal?

Yeah we know that you are your kind are "sick of people talking about how they grew up in Brooklyn," because we are even more sick of people like you ambling into our hometown, establishing your own cornball style and culture (which nobody thinks is cool besides yourselves), dismissing ours (which is known and loved around the world), and then telling us that being from Brooklyn doesn't mean shit and that we should get over it. Believe me, we know allllll about it. :roll:

A tip for you: People from Brooklyn love talking about Brooklyn. We talk about our Brooklyn upbringings even more to other people who were born and raised in Brooklyn than we do to people like you (since you don't care and can't relate anyway). We understand that many like you are jealous and resentful that you grew up the same as pretty much everyone else in the country, whereas our upbringing was a unique experience. We realize this. However, you need to keep one thing in mind - in the end, you are just scenery. Placeholders. Background noise. But this will always be our home.

hamilton · December 2007

Subject: I BE THE MAN

Mr Met stated "your tough , want a medal"

Nah,the boys of Brooklyn don't need medals or even tire irons ,that you claim you have to take with you whenever you venture out of our home.*
Pampers must cost you a fortune.

[*posted in Crown Heights forum]

apollonia666 · December 2007

ENOUGH.

This thread has degenerated into WAY too much personal insults and bickering.

I'm having a very busy day at work and don't have time to PM each and every one of you to ask that you act like adults, nor do I have time to babysit all of you to make sure you're then following the rules of the site. I'm locking this thread.

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