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If we can find their garages and let the police know where the bikes are kept perhaps someone can catch them. I have over heard them bragging about dodging police and about the numbers of police put watching. But then the "circle" never ends as long as the police keep the bikes alive. And why is that? The police don't resell guns?
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Yesterday I nearly flipped out when a guy riding an ATV mounted the promenade at Eastern Parkway and New York Avenue around 3:00pm. Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people? I really don't mind people riding motorbikes. Yes, they can be loud and obnoxious sounding, but I can deal with that. It is the riding on sidewalks and popping wheelies on sidewalks, with seemingly no regard for pedestrians, that drives me bonkers.
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In the present environment, chasing young riders who are wearing no protection from injuries is very fraught.
Instead, the police focus on figuring out where the bikes are stored via various methods:
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/nypd-puts-flat-tire-atvs-dirt-bikes-article-1.1457617
Like guns, drugs, etc, I suspect the dirt bikes come into to the hands of low incone teenage boys thru a variety of means:
-some are stolen by "professional thieves" rom rural areas in the region, transported to NYC and then resold here.
-some are bought by resellers at the sheriff auctions held at the NYC impound lots.
-some are bought by resellers at the auctions held by other states and municipalities, and then transported to NYC.
-some are stolen within the city, from other youth.
I've been in the NYC area since 1993, and can't remember a summer I didn't see them. -
Yes, they can be loud and obnoxious sounding, but I can deal with that.
I can deal with it too... but this too is still a really shitty way to behave. They are a menace to the neighborhoods they race and roar through... which is exactly their intended message. Just showing off how "tough" they are. Because, you know, sitting and lightly pressing a pedal takes a lot of manly effort. -
Agree. It's embarrassing that they think using a machine to make loud noise is tough, when it just takes a light twist of the throttle...and this is coming from someone who used to ride a motorcycle (in L.A.) for years.There's nothing tough about a machine that is a fraction the weight of a car, falls over easily, can be sent flying by a tiny bit of loose dirt/water on a turn, and has a pipsqueak horn. They are however fun and liberating to ride....responsibly.
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Yes, many of the youth ride as if they believe they are not going to live to see age 25.
...many of them are correct. -
Some of them won't make it to 25. The real question is are they going to take anyone else with them?
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The belief that one isn't going to make it to 25 often becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.
However, most young men (even the ones being discussed) DO make it to 25.
...of those, lot of them celebrate their birthday while incarcerated.
Readers should try to get photos of the next group of urban dirt bikers (and ATV riders) they see. -
Commander Lott stated tonight that his officers are not to pursue motorcycles.
Despite this, they have confiscated about 13 since the start of warmer weather. They are able to confiscate them when the users need to fill them up with gas, or by going to where they are stored. -
There's good news! Thanks, Whynot, you made my day. I met someone in NCH hood who used to be one of those wheelie poppers, he is about 35 now and only in the past couple years gave it up doing it himself but still teaches his son how to. So we have a long time of this "don't tell me where I can't play" attitude.
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They were doing wheelies all around my block between Nostrand and New York all day yesterday. I don't know who to call anymore.
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Try calling the precinct directly. I don't have the number handy, but its available on-line.
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The 77th's number is 718-735-0611.
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This has been a horrible night for cars blaring rap music, dirt bikes and motorcycles.
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I'm getting rap music as well. Shouldn't the cops give tickets for this?
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I'm getting rap music as well. Shouldn't the cops give tickets for this?
That requires 2 things. 1. Cops to start giving a rat's ass about the laws they're supposed to enforce. 2. A push from the higher ups to enforce those laws. -
The local higher ups should be required to live in the boundary of the precinct they command for a portion of the summer.
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At the meeting I attended, CO Lott stated it takes he and his officers incdreible amounts of restraint to not chase the dirt bikers and patiently wait to learn where they are stored.
Apparently, the dirt bikers literally goad the officers into chasing them, and give the officers the middle finger, etc.
However, the officer must resist. -
@whynot_31 One could argue it's restraint. I argue it is systemic incompetencey that exists in all levels of the NYPD. One of these days a dirt bike is going to kill someone and the NYPD will share a large part of the blame.
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The CO's perspective was that the likelihood and severity of bad results stemming from a chase exceeded the likelihood of good results.
...he likely was speaking from a liability perspective.
Yes, I am sure dirt bikes have and will kill people, and they are obnoxious.
However, we need an alternative that isn't worse.
Having a helicopter see where they are stored seems reasonable to me.
Having an unmarked car sit near their favorite gas station also seems well thought out.
You might not be aware that about 1 in 20 arrests of a 16 or 17 year old for a misdemeanor results in a conviction.
http://www.courtinnovation.org/sites/default/files/documents/ADP Y2 Report Final _v2.pdf
The police are.... -
As a result of a complaint re: ATV riding, the nearby 88th Pct just confiscated 14 dirt bikes and quads from a storage unit.
http://fortgreenefocus.com/2014/07/15/cops-arrest-three-for-stashed-guns-drugs-cash-vehicles-in-88th-precinct/
It isn't hard to imagine that the "possessors" sometimes rode them in Crown Heights. -
Anyone on the parkway yesterday after 5 and see all those dirt bikes and ATVs? (it may be been going on earlier, I just wasn't in the area)It was the worst I've ever seen, and I was quite scared. There was a group of at least 25, and they were riding in the parkway, on the island/medium/walkway, and in the service lanes (the wrong way at times). They appear to have been going back and forth. There were children playing and parents pushing strollers on the medium, and bikes and ATVs were on the medium as well going, conservatively, 40mph. Police were around, in cars, and did nothing. The police didn't even attempt to keep them in the street or slow them down. Most of the bikes didn't appear to have been registered.It's very scary when they come by. What will it take to address this? Will it take a child to get hurt of even killed while playing in front of his parents for the police to try to curb this behavior, or at least make an effort??!!The police can at least, flash some sirens and move them along. Why should they be able to get comfortable. They were going back and forth and hanging out in the area for at least an hour and a half that I saw. In that time, the police could have arranged something; at a minimum, a police car blocking the medium every block or two to protect those enjoying a warm afternoon; just to keep bikes and ATVs in the street.
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Is it wrong that I use all the power of positive thinking to hope that one of the guys popping a wheelie with no helmet on in traffic, falls spectacularly - every time I see one of these packs?
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Is it wrong that I use all the power of positive thinking to hope that one of the guys popping a wheelie with no helmet on in traffic, falls spectacularly - every time I see one of these packs?
Is it wrong to hope that this one individual you reference (one of the many) popping the wheelie falls spectacularly and causes a chain reaction causing the rest to loose control and fall and for them to run over each other in the process or maybe ride straight into a brick wall? -
Eastern Parkeay and where?
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Let the bikers loudly enjoy their weekend
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Eastern Parkeay and where?
I saw them between Nostrand and Schenectady, but they may have been coming from further. -
Police are not going to do a cat and mouse chase with these guys. Illegal vehicles will be confiscated at gas stations or the garages they are kept in.
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Yup. Neighbors can tell the NYPD where they are stored, or they can be patient and figure it out using their helicopters.
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