It seems to get more quiet each year. As the area around EP has changed, so has the manner in which the holiday weekend is celebrated. BTW, am I the only one who notices punctuation problems on the flyer? Precarnvial press: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/new-york-today-carnival-countdown/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&ref=nyregion&_r=1&
Is it just me or has it been more quiet this year so far?
I think people who don't pick up after their dogs have a good chance of being seen by a cop this weekend, and thus ticketed. This is in contrast to other weekends.I think of it this way:Parties happen for a sustained period of time in a fixed location. It is not hard for cops to be at the right place at the right time. People who don't pick up after their dogs are mobile and the actual pooping doesn't take long. It is hard for cops to be at the right place at the right time.
Is it just me or has it been more quiet this year so far?
There is a band that rehearses in the parking lot of the space formerly occupied by RS Strauss Auto on Empire Boulevard. The sound carries at night. (I'm less than a block away.)So, is this crackdown the parade's edition of "Broken Windows"?
neighbor mentioned this the last year for the parade on eastern parkway. Passed that along to the rumor mill and it was confirmed by a uniformed officer. talk amongst yourselves....
Southbound traffic from Atlantic Avenue to Eastern Parkway between Utica Avenue and Flatbush Avenue.
Northbound traffic from Empire Blvd. to Eastern Parkway between Utica Avenue and Flatbush Avenue.
Northbound traffic on Flatbush Avenue from Church Avenue to Grand Army Plaza.
Southbound traffic on Flatbush Avenue from Grand Army Plaza to Empire Blvd.
Southbound traffic on Ocean Avenue from Empire Blvd. to Parkside Avenue.
Northbound traffic on Ocean Avenue from Parkside Avenue to Empire Blvd.
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On Lincoln, near Rogers. Outside a church
The parade causes an area of (approximately) 2.4 miles by 1 mile to be closed to traffic. I know of no other parade that closes such a large, primarily, residential area and inconveniences/impacts so many local residents.
The St Patrick's Day parade, by contrast, has only 150,000 estimated attendees, but still snarls traffic and transit in the heart of Manhattan for the day, on a weekday -- and if you have ever lived in the East 60s on St. Patrick's Day then you know that this largely residential area turns into a disaster zone of drunk and disorderly white people vomiting in the streets. Why there are fewer arrests and less gunplay is a matter for the sociologists.
@homeowner said - I agree @whynot, that this parade is probably closest to impact of the Thanksgiving Day parade in terms of amount of disruption through the local area. One of the things that I think gets lost here is that local non-WI NY'ers keep wanting to call this a parade, like Thanksgiving or St. Patricks Day or any of the other ethnic parades in the city. But the event was conceptualized, designed and replicated Carnival as is celebrated in Europe and the Americas which is a multi-day event with a culminating parade that may last for most of a day. Its a larger event, that can last several days.http://www.trinijunglejuice.com/carnivalcalendar.html The logic of "it no longer belongs here, because now I live here" may work for some, but moving a multi-day carnival to Fifth Avenue in Manhattan or Central Park doesn't make a lot of sense when you think about what the event is supposed to be. Perhaps somewhere like Floyd Bennett Field, Randalls Island, or Governor's Island makes more sense, but I think you'll have consitutencies at all of those venues that will say that it doesn't "belong" there either.
Things that you would lose:- Small-scale local entrepreneurship that doesn't depend on trucking their goods out to somewhere off-site
I'm thinking something akin to Burning Man... A destination multi-day event that is out of the way where revelers can party as much as they want without bothering those not participating. This would be awesome for everyone involved. I don't see a downside
I don't believe that anyone is a hostage in their own home for the entire weekend unless they want to be. Its pretty easy to get off and on the subways that aren't directly along the parade route, and even driving while a hassle at the height of the parade, is normal by 8:00pm or so.
I think there is something important about being able to walk to and walk home from an event/parade such as Carnival. Sequestering it at the far edge of Brooklyn (Floyd Bennett Field) or on an island (Randall's/Governor's Island) would kill the spirit of it.Things that you would lose:- People who want to stop by the event for a bit, but not commit to a whole day- Small-scale local entrepreneurship that doesn't depend on trucking their goods out to somewhere off-siteThings that you would gain:- Drunk driving (I'd much rather have 100 drunk pedestrians than 10 drunk drivers)- Large scale mobile entrepreneurship (i.e. your generic street fair junk - tube socks, gyros, and cheap jewelry)
Apparently...Brooklyn cops were ordered to ignore blatantly illegal liquor sales inside three junkyards that were turned into open-air nightclubs — drawing thousands of rowdy revelers who vomited and urinated in the streets during the Labor Day weekend, The Post has learned.http://nypost.com/2014/09/01/cops-ordered-to-ignore-illegal-liquor-sales-at-junkyard-parties/
Apparently...Brooklyn cops were ordered to ignore blatantly illegal liquor sales inside three junkyards that were turned into open-air nightclubs — drawing thousands of rowdy revelers who vomited and urinated in the streets during the Labor Day weekend, The Post has learned.http://nypost.com/2014/09/01/cops-ordered-to-ignore-illegal-liquor-sales-at-junkyard-parties/Apparently... "De Blasio ordered NYPD to back off illegal bash"http://nypost.com/2014/09/03/de-blasio-gave-nypd-order-to-back-off-drunken-booze-fests/Let's see where this goes. Doesn't seem like the Post is giving this one up.
I live on the parkway- my apartment faces the street. It is a life of 'join 'em or leave' Labor Day weekend. For 15 years, I had an open house party and invited all my friends to celebrate. It was one of my favorite days. Now that the luster has dissipated (thanks to being that much older now)- it's turned into something different. We avoid it, must move the car (and cannot bring it back until Tuesday at 6am- it used to be you put your car back Monday night after 9pm), and after having Lil' Whatchuwant, we leave for the weekend so he can nap and sleep at night (bedroom faces the museum). We got a hard time Monday night (9pm) trying to get on our block simply to unload the car. Cops stood there, jaws slack, looking at one another trying to decide. I had to explain 3 times we were 'just loading, not parking.' They finally relented- informed us we would get towed if we parked. I said I understood and we were allowed to pass through.It is ABSOLUTELY an inconvenience if you don't want to participate and even if you do. It can be frustrating, but we are in a position where we can leave town easily and stay with family. We are extremely fortunate and grateful for that and realize we're an exception.My neighbor in 9 months preggo. They tried to go to a hotel for the weekend, but everything was booked. They returned home and hunkered down for the weekend and prayed she didn't go into labor.
I also watched cars parked on our block after the parade easily drive out onto Franklin and off towards Empire with no problems (arguably even easier than on other days as no cars were coming over EP on Franklin).
Honestly, I'd be heartbroken if the parade got canceled. I understand it's a little noisy and can make our neighborhood tougher to get around but it's navigable. As for the "I can't drive anywhere!" crowd. You're in a city with great mass transit and it's only one (1) day a year can't you just deal with it? I know I can.
We should be careful that the Brooklynian doesn't become flooded with false rumours.