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It does feel like much of today's Brooklyn fine dining scene writes off vegetarians, or offers them a pasta dish that's a solid 'meh' at best. That's the same thing that annoyed me about many of the new places in Williamsburg, and also why I never stopped by Pacifico. Dunno how much of the dinner crowd we vegetarians are, but it doesn't seem like Pacifico, at least, afforded writing us off. It is off-putting that the majority of the 'veggies' menu also contains meat.
You only need to watch the Food Network to see that this attitude pervades the culinary world. My fiancée graduated from the French Culinary Institute and works in the culinary field, and everyone openly mocks vegetarianism, especially the chefs. The irony is it takes far more skill to prepare a tasty vegetarian/vegan meal than it does one that leans heavily on meat and dairy.Businesses continue to ignore this rapidly growing demographic at their own peril, especially in areas like this where increasingly large numbers of households have someone who's a vegetarian. What they don't seem to grasp is that if six people are going out to eat and even one is a vegetarian, they're not going to eat at your restaurant if you don't have a decent option for that person.
Plus, I worry about the ability of a place to make something that's truly vegan if they're aren't aware enough/concerned enough to offer a vegetarian/vegan option in the first place. Nothing worse than going to eat something you were told was vegan, only to discover animal products in your food. I used to like Zaytoon's......until they gave me a falafel with beef in it....first meat I'd had in my mouth in over 20 years (they're lucky I'm not particularly litigious). Suffice it to say that I'll never eat there again (Pasha's more vegan friendly anyways), and would encourage anyone who's vegan/vegetarian to do that same. It doesn't say good things about your kitchen when meat can just happen to end up in random dishes that don't call for any meat.
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I agree with everything written about vegetarian foods but disagree that Pacifico's was an offender.We've never had a problem finding delicious vegetarian things on the menu there.
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Not a vegetarian, but I'm not keen on pork- that's what made me keep walking.Went there once for a drink and an app to kill some time before meeting a friend. The management was VERY young and VERY annoying. You cannot be annoying in a place that small. Your annoyingness affects everyone. The bar is laughingly small, as is the restaurant itself.No backyard? Tiny space? 4-seat bar? No thanks.The whole place needs to be one big bar that serves light fare options.
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Pacifico's had really good food. Enjoyed it every time I went.
Cent'anni, on the other had, was a complete disaster both times I went. It was awful.
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There are a decent amount of fancy restaurants in the neighborhood, then."I also think people thought this was a fancy restaurant at the beginning, maybe because of the “Fine Foods” part of the name"$20 entrees count as 'fancy' to me, especially in this neighborhood.
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bolded made me laughIt does feel like much of today's Brooklyn fine dining scene writes off vegetarians, or offers them a pasta dish that's a solid 'meh' at best. That's the same thing that annoyed me about many of the new places in Williamsburg, and also why I never stopped by Pacifico. Dunno how much of the dinner crowd we vegetarians are, but it doesn't seem like Pacifico, at least, afforded writing us off. It is off-putting that the majority of the 'veggies' menu also contains meat.
You only need to watch the Food Network to see that this attitude pervades the culinary world. My fiancée graduated from the French Culinary Institute and works in the culinary field, and everyone openly mocks vegetarianism, especially the chefs. The irony is it takes far more skill to prepare a tasty vegetarian/vegan meal than it does one that leans heavily on meat and dairy.Businesses continue to ignore this rapidly growing demographic at their own peril, especially in areas like this where increasingly large numbers of households have someone who's a vegetarian. What they don't seem to grasp is that if six people are going out to eat and even one is a vegetarian, they're not going to eat at your restaurant if you don't have a decent option for that person.
Plus, I worry about the ability of a place to make something that's truly vegan if they're aren't aware enough/concerned enough to offer a vegetarian/vegan option in the first place. Nothing worse than going to eat something you were told was vegan, only to discover animal products in your food. I used to like Zaytoon's......until they gave me a falafel with beef in it....first meat I'd had in my mouth in over 20 years (they're lucky I'm not particularly litigious). Suffice it to say that I'll never eat there again (Pasha's more vegan friendly anyways), and would encourage anyone who's vegan/vegetarian to do that same. It doesn't say good things about your kitchen when meat can just happen to end up in random dishes that don't call for any meat.
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You'd be surprised how common these kinds of lawsuits are. The place where my fiancee works is being sued for a million dollars for serving food they claimed was kosher, but wasn't. People can eat whatever/wherever they want. Though I know I'd want to know if a place where I ate was accidentally serving meat in ostensibly vegetarian fare. It might seem like a minor thing to some, but having not eaten meat in several decades it's akin to what a meat eater would feel if someone served them human flesh. Absolutely disgusting and a violation of your deepest held beliefs and convictions. So yeah, funny stuff.
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I'm not sure how much the vegetarian demographic is growing these days— it feels off-trend as opposed to 'paleo', especially in NYC, and a lot of vegetarian restaurants seem like they're barely surviving vestiges of the 90s in the East Village. Although Dirt Candy seems like they're crushing it lately.Businesses continue to ignore this rapidly growing demographic at their own peril, especially in areas like this where increasingly large numbers of households have someone who's a vegetarian. What they don't seem to grasp is that if six people are going out to eat and even one is a vegetarian, they're not going to eat at your restaurant if you don't have a decent option for that person.
LA seems like it's much more into vegetarianism these days— I guess because the hippie aesthetic seems pretty much 100% gone from NYC, but is still quite prevalent out west. -
It's been growing for years, and continues to do so. Paleo is just the latest incarnation of Atkins, etc., etc. (diets that emphasize eating more meat and animal products towards the end of short term weight loss, often at the expense of long term health). The primary difference between the two being that vegetarianism is about more than just losing weight, it's about sustainable health, the consequences of our choice of diet on the environment and its inhabitants, how we utilize limited resources in the faces of population growth that threatens to overwhelm our limited resources, etc. There will always be variations on the eat what you want and still lose weight motif, mainly because we (as humans) and this country in particular, are not particularly fond of self sacrifice ("greed is good" may as well be our national mantra). Citing paleo as evidence of the decline of vegetarianism is a bit like saying the planet isn't warming because it's cold outside. If you take a step back and look at the broader trends, it continues to grow, especially amongst younger people.
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I think the hardcore veganism movement is more prevalent out west, specifically in LA, but the trend toward eating LESS meat is certainly a huge one in the restaurant/food scene these days. Every other day you see an article about restaurants focusing more on vegetables, veggie tasting menus, etc. I think the wave of the future is a restaurant where only about half the dishes have animal products, and many dishes use the meat only as an "accent" with the vegetables and grain being the main focus of the dish. That way meat-eaters, vegetarians, and "flexitarians" can all eat side by side.
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A goodbye note from Pacifico:
http://us8.campaign-archive2.com/?u=9b779a4c292310cdb6b7a6bb1&id=18daaa6bf2&e=2a9f2853b4 -
I found Pacifico expensive and wildly uneven -- great some nights, not worth the price on others. I am sorry to see anyone lose their business, but I do agree with @whatchuwant that something like a tapas bar might be a better fit for the space.Cent'Anni is a good, solid Italian place with both a bar scene and kid's menu, not to mention a great backyard -- and they deliver on Seamless, which is probably a good piece of business for them as well. I doubt Pacifico's kitchen was big enough for delivery to be an option.Barboncino (note correct spelling) also has a lovely backyard, space for things like live music or TVs on sports nights -- and the best pizza in the area, the sort that gets mentioned in longer lists of great pizzas citywide.
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Having lived in Clinton Hill for a year I often went to Aita (and Mayfield). Aita's brunch and dinner are both very good - not incredible as I think someone above mentioned, but very good and they are always busy. Might be because there aren't a ton of options nearby or might be because people genuinely like it that much - not positive. That said Aita also does not have a backyard so I'm sure Roberto has a few tricks up his sleeve to combat this with the Pacifico's space.. at least I hope he does because it's a very good point and something ANYONE that enters that space must take into account.I am definitely saddened to see another business in the area close - especially so quickly - but glad another will be filling the space and wish it the best of luck. Hate seeing all of the vacant storefronts on Franklin..Lastly, I just want to say how impressed I am with this group! I've been living in Crown Heights for about 9 months now and this forum has been my absolute go-to for news/updates/etc. about the neighborhood. I've only lurked up until now so just wanted to put that out there. Happy to finally be joining in and look forward to more discussions in the future.-Nick
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You'd be surprised how common these kinds of lawsuits are. The place where my fiancee works is being sued for a million dollars for serving food they claimed was kosher, but wasn't. People can eat whatever/wherever they want. Though I know I'd want to know if a place where I ate was accidentally serving meat in ostensibly vegetarian fare. It might seem like a minor thing to some, but having not eaten meat in several decades it's akin to what a meat eater would feel if someone served them human flesh. Absolutely disgusting and a violation of your deepest held beliefs and convictions. So yeah, funny stuff.
Frivolous lawsuits are incredibly common, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of these. Even if there is a claim, the damages would be pretty small.And the kosher issue is a bit different, right? Being vegetarian isn't a religion, no matter how important it is to you.
I'm curious to know how that "million-dollar lawsuit" turns out, though. What orifice did they pull that damages amount from?
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Yeah, it's definitely an absurd amount. And to your other point I'd say that it doesn't make sense to me that because beliefs are sanctioned by a religious institution that they're somehow more valid, or that the harm is any less egregious. You can abide by a religion's belief system and customs even if you don't believe in them particularly passionately. Going multiple decades without consuming or wearing anything that comes from an animal is a fairly significant commitment and constitutes my core belief system and most cherished ideals. If the lawsuit is principally citing pain and suffering then I think a persuasive argument can be made that the suffering in both cases is qualitatively similar. But like I said, I'm not particularly litigious. I will say that hopefully there are more vegetarian friendly options once they reopen. As others have pointed out, there are more people who eat meat who simply choose to go meatless some of the time. It's wise to have at least a couple options for these demographics.
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Signs are now up for Aita Trattoria.
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Grand opening is/was tonight.
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that was quick
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They had a DOH approved kitchen. The new operator was already listed on the alc lic.
Discussion continued here: http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/45353/aita-trattoria-798a-franklin-between-ep-and-lincoln#Item_1
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