Freight Tranportation in Brooklyn
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From what I understand, Robert Moses purposely made overpasses on the Belt too low to allow trucks, so that cars could have a leisurely drive unbothered by truck traffic.
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The other explanation I have heard is that parkways were made with low bridges to prevent low income people from living on Long Island, because they could not commute via bus.
However, I don't think many people take the Belt for leisure, and can think of several low income communities on Long Island.
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I understand the need for the transport of goods in a busy city.However I question whether 18 wheelers crossing from JFK to NJ, through residential neighborhoods like E Flatbush, Flatbush, Prospect Park South, Windsor Terrace, and South Slope, not to mention Canal St and the Holland Tunnel, are a part of that network.
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Until we get a rail freight system, those are certainly good places to avoid.
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Remember, Brooklyn and Manhattan are both located on islands. Most goods want to be where the people are, and in NYC that means either in the central business districts (downtown Brooklyn, Midtown NYC and south) or on the "mainland" - west of the Hudson River. Unfortunately only way to get there from JFK is to cross through residential Queens and BK.
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" Unfortunately only way to get there from JFK is to cross through residential Queens and BK. "Okbut why does freight fly to JFK if it is bound for NJ? Why not fly to Newark?andIf it must cross through Queens and Brooklyn, why not by rail? Why must it be truck?
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Much of the freight in NJ comes by ship as they have a huge port in Newark so a lot of what comes into New York comes from there. They also have a Conrail line that runs along the northern part of the Turnpike and through much of Edison. In comparison, not much freight comes by plane as by ship. It's another reason that the Bayonne Bridge is having its roadway raised by 43 feet. This is to allow taller ships into the port.
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Yes, most of the freight being discussed is consumed by "us" (Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau, Suffolk)
...very little of it is going to or from JFK. I assume this small amount of freight is directed to the airport that makes the most financial sense.
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This piece details nicely what some of the logistical issues are getting from one side of the river to the other with construction cargo.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/oversize-trucks-line-up-to-deliver-big-payloads-to-n-y-c-1.1436328“Time to get the hell out of Brooklyn. I’m tired of coming here,” Eposti said. “But who knows. I’ll probably be back here tonight.” -
Fascinating story.I'm willing to bet that those giant pieces of concrete are made outside of NYC and then trucked in, in order to avoid union labor.The Kosciusko Bridge is surrounded by industrial sites. But I'm sure they are all in danger of becoming art galleries at this point.
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It appears that heating oil will continue to be competitive with natural gas, and thus continue to be trucked thru NYC to Long Island.
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That oil comes by pipeline from the refineries, not by truck. Coastal Pipeline has pipes that run along the Staten Island Expressway, even going over the Verrazano and underground that run to depots in Brooklyn and Long Island and that's how JFK and LaGuardia get their jet fuel as well. There would be trucks running constantly if it wasn't for this.
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That is good to know.
However, I wonder how much the oil industry lobbied against this pipeline, and how many local trucks (from port to tank, to homes) this pipeline could have gotten off the road.
...natural gas doesn't involve trucks.
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This creates an interesting development for Brooklyn. My guess is that Amazon is looking to position itself to make same day delivery in NYC possible. It also has tons of implications for goods movement generally. This location is only a short distance from the one freight rail line in the borough and from the container port.
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I doubt the oil industry lobbied at all since they love pipelines. It allows them to move much more oil than they could otherwise. No one has a fleet of trucks big enough to move all the oil that's needed used since there aren't refineries every block or even in every state. Just take a look at how they're fighting for Keystone XL
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I was thinking in terms of the local oil delivery companies that are on Long Island.
If the additional Natural Gas pipeline to LI was built, I suspect that it would decrease the price of NG relative to oil, which would decrease the number of trucks on the road.
It would not surprise me if Amazon decided to start its own fleet of mini trucks to deliver merchandise from the Sunset Park Warehouse. Doing so might represent a cost savings over what it spends on UPS, and USPS.
The location might also allow people to pick up "missed deliveries" there, instead having to go to UPS and USPS.
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In Long Island the people who heat with oil usually do so because there's no gas lines in the area. Where I rent we have gas for cooking and hot water and oil for heat because the damn landlord never bothered to convert. Nice guy but a putz as far as that goes. By the way, I pay the utilities so we hardly ever put on the heat and use a space heater in the living room when the wife and I are watching tv.
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Amazon has a whole strategy that its pursuing around local deliveries in urban centers. I don't know the details but know they've been investing in warehousing in places like Philadelphia, Boston, Baltimore, etc. where warehousing is still available within the city limits for relatively inexpensive amounts of money. NY has always been a tough nut to crack because RE costs are so high here relative to other large cities, so I'm glad to see that the local demand has finally led them to making the significant investment. I wouldn't be surprised if you're right, and if they also took the opportunity to reduce their carbon footprint by using something like a CNG, electric or hybrid fleet.
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