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Summerhill Bar on Gothamist - Page 3 — Brooklynian

Summerhill Bar on Gothamist

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  • Marco555
    Marco555
    whynot_31 said:
    Somewhere in the country, there is likely a formerly poor white backward area that was quickly transformed into an area for affluent, educated, young people. I wonder if any of the businesses now serving the area have decided to make making fun of the former inhabitants part of their business model. Pictures of children with fetal alcohol syndrome on the walls? Chewing tobacco? Pictures of junked cars. Deer heads. Coal miners hats. It is out there somewhere. It may serve Keystone beer in a literal bucket for $16.
    Trailer Park Lounge in Chelsea is a start
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2017
    Chelsea has become quite well off, but it lacks the required proximity to those being stereotyped and mocked. This event in TX may be people acting out the stereotypes, and embracing them: https://www.facebook.com/events/463205360688294/ I'm not sure the attendees vary much from those that are the butt of the humor.IMG_5284
  • tsarina
    tsarina
    How does plastering over a wall "allow for more meaningful discussions of the pro's and con's of gentrification"? And how does a masonry wall symbolize racism? Its a wall, just like at barbonchino, just like the walls at the Harvey Theatre. If I take offense to something you say, what gives me the right to demand that you change your decor? The story of the bulletholes was put forth by someone in the community, and simply for repeating it in an offhand manner (Oh My!) she is getting personal attacks, people telling her how to decorate her business, and making it harder for the employees (many of whom are people of color that live in the community) to make a living. Its a hell of a way to purport to help the community by killing jobs. Some nut job was out there shouting that they should get degrees and better jobs. Really??
  • MOD
    MOD
    whynot_31 said:
    Chelsea has become quite well off, but it lacks the required proximity to those being stereotyped and mocked. This event in TX may be people acting out the stereotypes, and embracing them: https://www.facebook.com/events/463205360688294/ I'm not sure the attendees vary much from those that are the butt of the humor.IMG_5284
    Fajitas?! I'm offended! ;)
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    The decor of that establishment must be great. ...I am thinking they must have serious bouncers to break up the frequent fights.
  • tsarina
    tsarina
    What fights?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2017
    I assume the bikers occasionally fight with each other, and that the lingerie girls fight with each other too. I suspect there are also occasional fights between a biker and a lingerie girl, but the bouncers end them quickly by siding with the lingerie girls. It is on my list of places to visit.
  • tsarina
    tsarina
    sorry slow on the uptake today. not enough coffee.
  • suppleknuckles
    suppleknuckles
    so it continues.... http://gothamist.com/2017/08/21/summerhill_crown_heights.php#photo-16
  • rararuuu
    rararuuu
    I just don't get how she could come to Crown Heights and not really get it. This place is absolutely overflowing with history and culture and she could have used that as her inspiration, but instead she showed her ass and got called on it. And now it's just escalating to the point where some folks don't even want her there. Demanding she shutter her business though? That's not going to change the issues at hand here...
  • Barnstormer
    Barnstormer
    edited August 2017
    I'm sorry but these people need to move on. There's no point in spending any more energy on this woman. There are more urgent things to fight for in the world today.
  • Elcaminoman
    Elcaminoman
    It's really a lot aimed at one person. She has a lot of guts to stand there and discuss things. That said, I might have just fixed the wall and said "my bad" and toasted the fix with a happy hour.
  • Marco555
    Marco555
    edited August 2017
    Elcaminoman said:
    It's really a lot aimed at one person. She has a lot of guts to stand there and discuss things. That said, I might have just fixed the wall and said "my bad" and toasted the fix with a happy hour.
    You think that would appease the protestors? I doubt it. It's only one of their list of demands, many excessive. They obviously hold a lot of anger...
  • Rick656
    Rick656
    Is the owner in the photos in the gothamist article? The lady in the blue hat? This quote makes the protestors sound racist against whites: "Protesters directed their anger directly at Brennan, asking her when she plans to return to Canada, and chanting "Boycott Summerhill!" and "Bye, Bye Becky!" (slang for a generic white woman)." Then I realized her name is Becca so I guess it's not as crazy to chant " bye bye Becky" as it would have been if her name were Mary or some other "generic white women" name. Ha.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    The bar owner (and the bar) do fit some people's definition of someone they have always disliked. ...despite never having met.
  • Elcaminoman
    Elcaminoman
    why would people dislike the bar itself? I mean, I don't like brunch per se - but I like that it's available.
  • Marco555
    Marco555
    Elcaminoman said:
    why would people dislike the bar itself? I mean, I don't like brunch per se - but I like that it's available.
    to the protestors? For a number of reasons (it's not black-owned, the prices, etc.) it represents gentrification's 'evil' forces.
  • jong
    jong
    Good to see people in the area focused on the really important community issues
  • BryceTC
    BryceTC
    edited August 2017
    People can care about more than one thing at a time. Just because people are outspoken about this, doesn't mean they aren't outspoken about other issues in the neighborhood.
  • Marco555
    Marco555
    There will be an 'emergency townhall' on Thursday. The owner will be present. From the article: "Brennan will be on hand at an "emergency town hall meeting" Thursday evening, scheduled by local district leader Geoffrey Davis, who organized the event after attending a heated protest at the bar Sunday..." -- http://gothamist.com/2017/08/23/summerhill_crown_heights_meeting.php?_ga=2.50613423.740317504.1503407098-819562293.1488404235
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    While those opposed to the bar and its owner are getting lots of media attention, it isn't clear to me that they are affecting its bottom line. IE Those protesting don't seem to be its customers, and they don't seem to be organized/clever enough to host a protest during its prime hours. which I believe are 10 PM - 1 AM on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights.
  • goldemi1
    goldemi1
    "People can care about more than one thing at a time. Just because people are outspoken about this, doesn't mean they aren't outspoken about other issues in the neighborhood." But they're not. Not by a long shot.
  • suppleknuckles
    suppleknuckles
    Can't wait to hear what happens. I predict Imani Henry and his ilk will shout over her and we still won't really hear what she has to say for herself. v(ツ)v that's what happens when you put your faith in the Alicia Boyd/imani henry type of protesters that just operate on a platform of rage and drown out voices on both sides. dude isn't even from NY!
  • Marco555
    Marco555
    Rage is all the rage these days, isn't it?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2017
    By my calculations, the bar owner GAINS if they spend the whole time yelling at her and chanting. By tolerating being yelled at for an hour, she gets to say that she was not allowed to speak, yet heard the opposition's concerns. This won't sway any of her opponents, but it will make them look silly if if they don't move on to their next villain. All she needs to do is something simple like put up a picture of Hallie Selassie on the pock marked wall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie Or, once it comes out on DVD, show the movie Crown Heights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_(film)
  • misterC3
    misterC3
    I read the clips & watched all the video available from the town hall yesterday. I was previously of the belief that the protestors were too harsh, and projecting too much hatred onto her. I definitely felt like a lot of them were coming from a real place of pain, and their concerns were legit, but I just thought their messaging was too intense, and in some cases too violent. But after watching her in front of the town hall, it's really hard to be sympathetic to her. She had a real chance to be humble, acknowledge this was a learning experience, etc., but instead she doubled down and came off rude and snotty. She specifically said she will not paint over the wall, which just seems self destructive. After that event count me in the group of people who can't support her business.
  • Marco555
    Marco555
    http://gothamist.com/2017/08/25/summerhill_meeting_crown_heights.php I hear what you're saying @Mister_CB3 but I think she's right when she says they moved the goal post and will never be satisfied. She can't do right in their eyes. And good on Rusty for recognizing her courage at the meeting and throughout the past few weeks.
  • Elcaminoman
    Elcaminoman
    Oh no, I wish she had started to make amends.
  • misterC3
    misterC3
    Marco555 said:
    http://gothamist.com/2017/08/25/summerhill_meeting_crown_heights.php I hear what you're saying @Mister_CB3 but I think she's right when she says they moved the goal post and will never be satisfied. She can't do right in their eyes. And good on Rusty for recognizing her courage at the meeting and throughout the past few weeks.
    what's her big attachment to a stupid wall? paint over it. it costs like $40 and would at least be a sign of contrition.
  • suppleknuckles
    suppleknuckles
    edited August 2017
    damn i get the feeling this lady doesn't like to listen to advice. surely somebody she trusts would have told her to A.) say "what I said was offensive and I see that now, I am sorry" and B.) fill and paint the wall. Seriously. not sure why she's so stubborn. is it just a lawyer thing? "I'm sorry you were offended" is not the same as "I offended you and I'm sorry" but would take the same amount of effort to say. i don't think she realizes that it's not about apologizing about the wall at this point, but rather about viewing those against it as people with feelings and apologize for their hurt feelings. Even if she privately stood by her initial comments, just that effort would have made people gradually forget about the whole ordeal. instead, she's just handed them the Villian they've all been searching for: the spectre of gentrification personified
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