high concentration of confrontational gentrification posts
a suggestion:
how about giving gentrification its own forum? that way this board might have a chance of being useful again, and people who have nothing else to do besides finding ways to raise other people's blood pressure can go there and go nuts!
~30% of the last 10 posts are the same conversation.
an open letter to landlords.
group of young black men in hoodies walked by on CrazyLane
important public safety alert! (crocs)
how about giving gentrification its own forum? that way this board might have a chance of being useful again, and people who have nothing else to do besides finding ways to raise other people's blood pressure can go there and go nuts!
~30% of the last 10 posts are the same conversation.
an open letter to landlords.
group of young black men in hoodies walked by on CrazyLane
important public safety alert! (crocs)
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some of the post can goto the lounge.
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These issues vary from neighborhood to neighborhood. It wouldn't make sense to bundle them up. PS, PH, CH etc...Are in different stages of the process. It cannot be generalized in homogeneous idea.
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As some of you may have noticed, I certainly never shy away from a debate. What I do wonder is, how come people on this board seem to only want to argue about gentrification, Ratner, and kids (all of which are related)? Yeah, there's the occasional dispute over which cafe is better, and now that I think of it there was a great one about GMOs, and one ongoing right now about Australia and ethnicity (or something like that), but there are so many other controversial issues that I'd be more than happy to waste time ranting about. There have been several times that I've tried to start up a thread on a non-gentrification related argument, anything from foreign policy to immigration to economic policy, but they always seem to fizzle out.
As for the various hoods, it does seem that the primary gentrification hotspot is PH. It comes up a lot less often in Park Slope, Fort Greene or the other boards. I know it was a huge issue in FG in the 90's, and I'm sure it still is, but I have to admit I hear less of a buzz about the issue nowadays than I used to. -
escap wrote: As some of you may have noticed, I certainly never shy away from a debate. What I do wonder is, how come people on this board seem to only want to argue about gentrification, Ratner, and kids (all of which are related)? Yeah, there's the occasional dispute over which cafe is better, and now that I think of it there was a great one about GMOs, and one ongoing right now about Australia and ethnicity (or something like that), but there are so many other controversial issues that I'd be more than happy to waste time ranting about. There have been several times that I've tried to start up a thread on a non-gentrification related argument, anything from foreign policy to immigration to economic policy, but they always seem to fizzle out.
I'd love to talk about any of those things as well! That shit gets hot sometimes! I wholeheartedly second that idea!
As for the various hoods, it does seem that the primary gentrification hotspot is PH. It comes up a lot less often in Park Slope, Fort Greene or the other boards. I know it was a huge issue in FG in the 90's, and I'm sure it still is, but I have to admit I hear less of a buzz about the issue nowadays than I used to. -
I thought the board rules encouraged only nabe related topics in the neighbourhood forums :? IMHO..thats very limiting
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i'm bored with the gentriconfrontation too--when someone comes up with something new to say about it, i'll be glad to read it. meanwhile, it's easy enough to ignore the threads. it's like tv: no one forces you to tune in.
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It is rapidly become craigslist rants & raves 'round here, but with far fewer camphone boobie pix. Maybe that's what we need to ease tension around here?
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There's also a YouTube button...
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escap wrote:
I suspect the reasons such arguments fizzle out here is because we have some cosmopolitan educated English-speaking liberal-to-centrist people who will say X and some other likeminded people who will agree on the major points; we also have a bunch of people who haven't thought much about how the big issues affect their lives; and a relative lack of evangelicals or neocons or refugees or communists or Klansmen or indigenous peoples or trade-unionists or islamists or freedom-fighters or eco-terrorists to present another perspective. By contrast, anyone with a keyboard, little forethought, and a basic command of English can formulate an opinion about the changes they observe locally month-by-month.
but there are so many other controversial issues that I'd be more than happy to waste time ranting about. There have been several times that I've tried to start up a thread on a non-gentrification related argument, anything from foreign policy to immigration to economic policy, but they always seem to fizzle out. -
I have been reading these boards for a quite sometime but I refused to jump into these conversations primarily because people get real passionate about these subjects ( those mentioned above plus the Atlantic Yards ) and will viciously attack decending views. As escap has said, other important threads are started but they usually don't last.
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smackdown wrote: I have been reading these boards for a quite sometime but I refused to jump into these conversations primarily because people get real passionate about these subjects ( those mentioned above plus the Atlantic Yards ) and will viciously attack decending views. As escap has said, other important threads are started but they usually don't last.
This is clearly passing the buck. How can one call this a neighborhood blog and pass the buck on these issues? I guess people don't want to hear it because they don't want to pause and realize that it is an issue. There is a reason that these a re heated debates.
Get an overpriced cupcake at Joyce's and talk about fiscal policy. -
Breuckelen wrote: I guess people don't want to hear it because they don't want to pause and realize that it is an issue. There is a reason that these a re heated debates.
No one's saying that Breukelen, if that's what you're reading into this, you're not reading carefully. We've heard it ... and heard it... and heard it.... and heard it. People know it's an issue. If the threads were designed to provoke discussion, rather than argument, they would be more interesting and people would probably contribute meaningful dialog and we could learn things from each other. Unfortunately, they always seem to be framed in a judgemental, reverse-racist attack on people that those initiating don't even know and have no business guessing the motives of.
That's just childish and pointless. -
Breuckelen wrote: [quote=smackdown]I have been reading these boards for a quite sometime but I refused to jump into these conversations primarily because people get real passionate about these subjects ( those mentioned above plus the Atlantic Yards ) and will viciously attack decending views. As escap has said, other important threads are started but they usually don't last.
This is clearly passing the buck. How can one call this a neighborhood blog and pass the buck on these issues? I guess people don't want to hear it because they don't want to pause and realize that it is an issue. There is a reason that these a re heated debates.
Get an overpriced cupcake at Joyce's and talk about fiscal policy.
That Joyce's crack is so typical of your usual schtick, Breuckelen. It's really tired.
Nobody is under any obligation to discuss anything he or she doesn't feel like discussing (or doesn't have the time to discuss, or whatever).
I've pretty much stopped jumping in on these particular topics too, for the most part, sometimes because I may just be glancing at the site for a moment while at work but mostly because I feel like they've been done to death and that there's a small but vocal group here that is obsessed with its pet topic and more interested in starting a bunch of flamey shit and insulting anyone who disagrees with them than having any real dialogue. -
apollonia666 wrote: [quote=Breuckelen][quote=smackdown]I have been reading these boards for a quite sometime but I refused to jump into these conversations primarily because people get real passionate about these subjects ( those mentioned above plus the Atlantic Yards ) and will viciously attack decending views. As escap has said, other important threads are started but they usually don't last.
This is clearly passing the buck. How can one call this a neighborhood blog and pass the buck on these issues? I guess people don't want to hear it because they don't want to pause and realize that it is an issue. There is a reason that these a re heated debates.
Get an overpriced cupcake at Joyce's and talk about fiscal policy.
That Joyce's crack is so typical of your usual schtick, Breuckelen. It's really tired.
Nobody is under any obligation to discuss anything he or she doesn't feel like discussing (or doesn't have the time to discuss, or whatever).
I've pretty much stopped jumping in on these particular topics too, for the most part, sometimes because I may just be glancing at the site for a moment while at work but mostly because I feel like they've been done to death and that there's a small but vocal group here that is obsessed with its pet topic and more interested in starting a bunch of flamey shit and insulting anyone who disagrees with them than having any real dialogue.
I gave you a star, becasuse you are the best! -
ana.log wrote: [quote=Breuckelen]I guess people don't want to hear it because they don't want to pause and realize that it is an issue. There is a reason that these a re heated debates.
No one's saying that Breukelen, if that's what you're reading into this, you're not reading carefully. We've heard it ... and heard it... and heard it.... and heard it. People know it's an issue. If the threads were designed to provoke discussion, rather than argument, they would be more interesting and people would probably contribute meaningful dialog and we could learn things from each other. Unfortunately, they always seem to be framed in a judgemental, reverse-racist attack on people that those initiating don't even know and have no business guessing the motives of.
That's just childish and pointless.
Agreed. I don't think anyone who posts here would not freely acknowledge that PH has issues of race and class brimming due to recent demographical changes.
GIT THAT TAIL! RUN IN CIRCLES 'TIL YOU GIT IT AND BITE IT GOOD! -
But what's worse--talking about the same thing over and over again, or complaining over and over again about people talking about the same thing over and over again??
God, sometimes I hate post-modernism. -
caaahyoko wrote: But what's worse--talking about the same thing over and over again, or complaining over and over again about people talking about the same thing over and over again??
gentriconfrontation meta
God, sometimes I hate post-modernism. -
caaahyoko wrote: But what's worse--talking about the same thing over and over again, or complaining over and over again about people talking about the same thing over and over again??
you're right people should just stop complaining about things they object to. object to crime? fine, but don't tell anyone. exploitation? ditto. bad foreign policy? better shut yr mouth. your neighbors stereo keeping you up at night? better buy some earplugs.
God, sometimes I hate post-modernism.
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i agree
im tired of reading all the breuckelen gentrification posts. we get it allready.apollonia666 wrote: [quote=Breuckelen][quote=smackdown]I have been reading these boards for a quite sometime but I refused to jump into these conversations primarily because people get real passionate about these subjects ( those mentioned above plus the Atlantic Yards ) and will viciously attack decending views. As escap has said, other important threads are started but they usually don't last.
This is clearly passing the buck. How can one call this a neighborhood blog and pass the buck on these issues? I guess people don't want to hear it because they don't want to pause and realize that it is an issue. There is a reason that these a re heated debates.
Get an overpriced cupcake at Joyce's and talk about fiscal policy.
That Joyce's crack is so typical of your usual schtick, Breuckelen. It's really tired.
Nobody is under any obligation to discuss anything he or she doesn't feel like discussing (or doesn't have the time to discuss, or whatever).
I've pretty much stopped jumping in on these particular topics too, for the most part, sometimes because I may just be glancing at the site for a moment while at work but mostly because I feel like they've been done to death and that there's a small but vocal group here that is obsessed with its pet topic and more interested in starting a bunch of flamey shit and insulting anyone who disagrees with them than having any real dialogue. -
ana.log wrote: [quote=caaahyoko]But what's worse--talking about the same thing over and over again, or complaining over and over again about people talking about the same thing over and over again??
you're right people should just stop complaining about things they object to. object to crime? fine, but don't tell anyone. exploitation? ditto. bad foreign policy? better shut yr mouth. your neighbors stereo keeping you up at night? better buy some earplugs.
God, sometimes I hate post-modernism.
ah, democracy.
Well, I didn't really mean its silly to complain about complaining from that angle. Lol. I guess you never had to sit through a whole class on post-modernism--its more that people are soooo self-aware that we must analize every reaction everyone makes to everything.
But yes, let the people complain!
Then, again I guess we can't fight it since blogs/message boards are inherently self-conscious. If nothing real really happens, create a faux event to discuss!
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For all of the supposedly well-educated posters on this board, the threads are suprisingly dull and predictable. Or, at least, the 80% of them that devolve into race and class finger-pointing are.
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pensodyssey wrote: For all of the supposedly well-educated posters on this board, the threads are suprisingly dull and predictable. Or, at least, the 80% of them that devolve into race and class finger-pointing are.
Oh yeah, you're just saying that cause you're white. [-X (this looks more like finger wagging, but it was the best I could do) -
couple points:
- there is no other issue in this community remotely as interesting or important as gentrification. the neighborhood is changing at warp speed and many issues (restaurant openings, new residents frightened of crime) are direct subcategories of gentrification that would be dishonest to discuss without addressing the overarching theme. we live in a boring-ass neighborhood; this is basically the best conversational fodder we have for a board that demands everything be localized material. and for the record, neither my "crocs" post nor the "landlord letter" are actually against gentrification; they're anti-douchebag.
- not all of us have been on this message board that long. conversations that you may have tired of years or months ago are still new to many posters. as long as new people read it, that's how it's going to be. if you want good posts on different topics, try writing some. don't cop pleas about how your great threads about hardware stores and runner's groups are going ignored because everyone's too busy sweating young snitch and his marvelous posts. step your posting game up. -
young snitch wrote: and for the record, neither my "crocs" post nor the "landlord letter" are actually against gentrification; they're anti-douchebag.
Isn't your calling someone a douchebag because they own a pair of crocs or choose to rent their apartment for amounts which are essentially highway robbery because they see a sucker coming just as bad as the people here who post about the scary black guys on crazy lane?
Why is okay for you to have an opinion and voice it, but then you criticize others who do the same?
I don't agree with a lot of the people here, but I want them to voice their opinions. I rather enjoy knowing what people think within the confines of their own four walls that they may be too polite to express in mixed company. -
how about giving gentrification its own forum? that way this board might have a chance of being useful again, and people who have nothing else to do besides finding ways to raise other people's blood pressure can go there and go nuts!
Yea it's starting to feel a litle Sunni vs. Shiite around here. Wasn't like that before. -
BigGuy wrote:
I don't know, do you really want everyone to just agree on everything and talk about nothing but neighborhood places and events? Or are you saying that you don't mind discussion, but you'd like people to keep it above the belt and not resort to trollish digs and insults? B/c if that's the case then I agree 100%.how about giving gentrification its own forum? that way this board might have a chance of being useful again, and people who have nothing else to do besides finding ways to raise other people's blood pressure can go there and go nuts!
Yea it's starting to feel a litle Sunni vs. Shiite around here. Wasn't like that before. -
"for the record, neither my "crocs" post nor the "landlord letter" are actually against gentrification; they're anti-douchebag."
Who gets to decide who is and who isn't a douchebag? -
kofetyme wrote: Who gets to decide who is and who isn't a douchebag?
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there is no other issue in this community remotely as interesting or important as gentrification.
This is kind of sad if you really think that way. I don't know which "community" you are talking about, but Brooklyn is the most interesting city in America. Why do you live here? -
escap wrote: Or are you saying that you don't mind discussion, but you'd like people to keep it above the belt and not resort to trollish digs and insults? B/c if that's the case then I agree 100%.
That one.
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