flu
i've had this flu bug for a week now
finally at the end phase.
you know – when you carry kleenex with you wherever you go
i figure this is going around. anyone else got it?
finally at the end phase.
you know – when you carry kleenex with you wherever you go
i figure this is going around. anyone else got it?
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my brother is getting over his too.
He came over yesterday since he believes
in sharing everything with me.
Thanks for the germs Pete!
P.s.
feel better quijibo<---Salud. -
it's bad luck to ask people to tell you if they're not sick (more so, bad luck for people to shar ethis information. it's like asking to get sick)
but while we're on the topic, time to get those flu shots!!!!! gonna go call my doctor right now -
Everybody take Umcka!
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you totally reminded me to get my shot.
i grew up in FL and never knew anyone who had the flu. i finally got the flu for the first time when i moved to seattle after college. i had no idea it was that serious... i always thought it was like a cold, only with more snot. instead, i was bedridden for a week and wanted to die.
ever since then, ive been religious with my vaccinations. -
those flu shots are a buncha hoooey =;
part of the big pharm scare mongering to make more dough
doctors: what say you? -
quijibo wrote: those flu shots are a buncha hoooey =;
flu shots save lives quijibo!
part of the big pharm scare mongering to make more dough
doctors: what say you? -
brooklynpotter wrote: flu shots save lives quijibo!
blech. you're regurgitating big pharm advertising
a healthy immune system saves lives
where's the proof flu shots saves lives? -
man, i really hope you're joking. big pharm hoax? puh-lease.
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8thandPrez wrote: man, i really hope you're joking. big pharm hoax? puh-lease.
i ain't never got a flu shot and i'm not dead yet :shock:
just kidding...
please show me the empirical proof? -
quijibo wrote: [quote=8thandPrez]man, i really hope you're joking. big pharm hoax? puh-lease.
i ain't never got a flu shot and i'm not dead yet :shock:
just kidding...
please show me the empirical proof?
1. Flu pandemics can happen at any time. The 1918 flu pandemic killed between 20 million and 40 million people.
2. Although children and the elderly are at greatest risk from influenza, it totally depends on the strain. When there is a major shift in the prevalent influenza proteins, young adults may be at greater risk than the elderly, who may have previously been exposed to a strain that has since become rare. The 1918 flu pandemic is a perfect example of this- the peak mortality was in the 20-30 year-olds (with a second peak in the 80-90 year-olds).
http://www.andypryke.com/pub/InfluenzaPandemic
3. Medications currently available for treatment of flu once it develops is in limited supply, is expensive, and is limited in efficacy.
4. The flu vaccine is about 85% effective in preventing the flu.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15472840&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
No one is arguing against general good health, quijibo, but there's not much downside to the flu shot other than a few days of mild discomfort. You can generally even get the shot for free. It could save your life, and even you wouldn't have died, it can save you a week or two of severe misery. -
Flu shots can only target a few strains of the flu--they try to predict what strains will be the most predominant and use those. The bad news is there are HUNDREDS of flu strains. I have gotten the flu shot five years in a row and have gotten the flu every winter. I've also gotten a mild case of the flu after every shot (I know they claim this doesn't happen, but I think it's partially due to some of the nasty preservatives they use)
If you're elderly or very young, the flu shot is a good idea. Otherwise, if you're an adult with a healthy immune system it's probably not necessary : http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm -
erikka wrote: Flu shots can only target a few strains of the flu--they try to predict what strains will be the most predominant and use those. The bad news is there are HUNDREDS of flu strains. I have gotten the flu shot five years in a row and have gotten the flu every winter. I've also gotten a mild case of the flu after every shot (I know they claim this doesn't happen, but I think it's partially due to some of the nasty preservatives they use)
Have you really gotten influenza every winter, or did you get an unspecified viral syndrome with fever and some upper respiratory symptoms every winter? Real influenza is a severe illness. It makes you feel like you want to die. The flu shot isn't 100% effective, but I really doubt it failed you 5 years in a row. Most of what people colloquially call "the flu" is not actually influenza. The vaccine won't protect you against colds and other viral syndromes- just influenza. You are correct that the vaccine doesn't protect against every influenza strain, and a surprise pandemic could thwart the vaccine, but the people who make it have been pretty accurate in recent years about predicting the prevalent strains.
If you're elderly or very young, the flu shot is a good idea. Otherwise, if you're an adult with a healthy immune system it's probably not necessary : http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm -
see. that's what i've heard
that when the next big flu pandemic hits, like the 1918 storm,
the flu strain will have mutated so quickly leaving us no time to develop an effective flu shot and get it to the people who need it
so that the flu shot is a panacea as far as pandemics go
like the american apparel store sign....
btw, where can i get a free flu shot? -
quijibo wrote: see. that's what i've heard
That may happen. We have no way of knowing how effective the vaccine will be. But even if there's no pandemic, it's worth getting the shot to avoid getting non-pandemic-associated influenza, which can also be lethal, and is always miserable.
that when the next big flu pandemic hits, like the 1918 storm,
the flu strain will have mutated so quickly leaving us no time to develop an effective flu shot and get it to the people who need it
so that the flu shot is a panacea as far as pandemics go
like the american apparel store sign.... -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=erikka]Flu shots can only target a few strains of the flu--they try to predict what strains will be the most predominant and use those. The bad news is there are HUNDREDS of flu strains. I have gotten the flu shot five years in a row and have gotten the flu every winter. I've also gotten a mild case of the flu after every shot (I know they claim this doesn't happen, but I think it's partially due to some of the nasty preservatives they use)
Have you really gotten influenza every winter, or did you get an unspecified viral syndrome with fever and some upper respiratory symptoms every winter? Real influenza is a severe illness. It makes you feel like you want to die. The flu shot isn't 100% effective, but I really doubt it failed you 5 years in a row. Most of what people colloquially call "the flu" is not actually influenza. The vaccine won't protect you against colds and other viral syndromes- just influenza. You are correct that the vaccine doesn't protect against every influenza strain, and a surprise pandemic could thwart the vaccine, but the people who make it have been pretty accurate in recent years about predicting the prevalent strains.
If you're elderly or very young, the flu shot is a good idea. Otherwise, if you're an adult with a healthy immune system it's probably not necessary : http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm
Well, I was vomiting so hard it came out my nose and didn't have enough energy to drag myself to the bathroom without help, so yes...I have really had the flu. I have had one very nasty flu episode every year for as far back as I can remember--it's a given I'll get it, be miserable, and then will be immune the rest of the winter.
caveat: if they came out with a bird flu vaccine I would get that in a second. Did y'all know that all flus originate from birds (and pig digestive tracts). The biggest difference is when animals get the flu they usually die. -
i hate to be the bearer of what's bound to seem like a snarky response. but. nausea and vomiting are not symptoms of influenza.
a very bad stomach virus, you bet. but not the actual flu. -
i think we need to make a distinction between catastrophic mutations of the virus that can lead to pandemics and the yearly rotation of flu strains that make the rounds.
the yearly flu shot contains the 3 strains considered to be the likely candidates for that season (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm). the World Health Organization develops recommendations that are distributed globally, such as this one for the current flu season. it's not 100% effective for obvious reasons: sometimes infectious disease experts don't correctly determine which strains spread through the US (which is exactly what happened in 2003/2004: http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/15/flu.vaccine/) -
Carnivore wrote: That may happen. We have no way of knowing how effective the vaccine will be. But even if there's no pandemic, it's worth getting the shot to avoid getting non-pandemic-associated influenza, which can also be lethal, and is always miserable.
ok. i've already gotten the flu this season
now i'm immune to this strain of flu right?
how many other strains of flu are out there?
what are the chances i'll get the flu again this year? -
8thandPrez wrote: i think we need to make a distinction between catastrophic mutations of the virus that can lead to pandemics and the yearly rotation of flu strains that make the rounds.
All excellent points.
the yearly flu shot contains the 3 strains considered to be the likely candidates for that season (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm). the World Health Organization develops recommendations that are distributed globally, such as this one for the current flu season. it's not 100% effective for obvious reasons: sometimes infectious disease experts don't correctly determine which strains spread through the US (which is exactly what happened in 2003/2004: http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/15/flu.vaccine/) -
i'm sick right now, exhausted and miserable, with all the symptoms you'd expect.
however. i do not have the "flu". i can tell that because, while i did go through a brief period of fear that i would die, i have not entered the tell-tale stage of fearing that i WON'T die.
i have asthma, which is another reason to get a flu shot, although just avoiding the flu on its own merits would be reason enough.
ironically, i missed my flu shot appt yesterday because i was home sick. -
8thandPrez wrote: it's not 100% effective for obvious reasons: sometimes infectious disease experts don't correctly determine which strains spread through the US (which is exactly what happened in 2003/2004
yeah, i fell victim to this strain, and it was terrible. i came within a hair's breadth of being hospitalized due to the subsequent upper respiratory infection i was dealing with. i have had pneumonia before; i have had influenza once before in the 90's (twice in a lifetime? yay, me :roll: ). but i was truly, truly frightened -- couldn't breathe worth a damn, and was terrified that the next coughing fit was going to clog my trachea with gunk so completely that i would asphyxiate.
the flu ain't nuthin' to mess with!!
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shishkab wrote: yeah, i fell victim to this strain, and it was terrible. i came within a hair's breadth of being hospitalized due to the subsequent upper respiratory infection i was dealing with. i have had pneumonia before; i have had influenza once before in the 90's (twice in a lifetime? yay, me :roll: ). but i was truly, truly frightened -- couldn't breathe worth a damn, and was terrified that the next coughing fit was going to clog my trachea with gunk so completely that i would asphyxiate.
sorry to hear it shishkab
the flu ain't nuthin' to mess with!!
the one failsafe cough remedy i take is this dominican cough syrup i buy from my local pakistani pharmacist
it's called "jarabe limpia pecho" which translates to "clean chest syrup"
it's made of fish extract, watercress, radishes, onion, aloe vera and honey.
i take this stuff and i don't get no coughing fits. garanteeee! -
quijibo wrote: sorry to hear it shishkab
Dude, you don't believe in the flu vaccine, but you believe in fish extract, watercress, radishes, onion, aloe vera and honey? I know you're skeptical of big pharma (and rightly so), but do you really think the dominicans who make this stuff or the pakistani guy who sells it to you are really trying to do anything besides separate you from your hard-earned cash? And you were asking for empirical evidence about the flu vaccine before? :roll:
the one failsafe cough remedy i take is this dominican cough syrup i buy from my local pakistani pharmacist
it's called "jarabe limpia pecho" which translates to "clean chest syrup"
it's made of fish extract, watercress, radishes, onion, aloe vera and honey.
i take this stuff and i don't get no coughing fits. garanteeee! -
Carnivore wrote: Dude, you don't believe in the flu vaccine, but you believe in fish extract, watercress, radishes, onion, aloe vera and honey? I know you're skeptical of big pharma (and rightly so), but do you really think the dominicans who make this stuff or the pakistani guy who sells it to you are really trying to do anything besides separate you from your hard-earned cash? And you were asking for empirical evidence about the flu vaccine before? :roll:
i ain't gots no hacking cough when i take my "jarabe limpia pecho"/ / / -
quijibo wrote: [quote=Carnivore]Dude, you don't believe in the flu vaccine, but you believe in fish extract, watercress, radishes, onion, aloe vera and honey? I know you're skeptical of big pharma (and rightly so), but do you really think the dominicans who make this stuff or the pakistani guy who sells it to you are really trying to do anything besides separate you from your hard-earned cash? And you were asking for empirical evidence about the flu vaccine before? :roll:
i ain't gots no hacking cough when i take my "jarabe limpia pecho"/ / /
It also prevents smallpox, since you haven't gotten that either! You should contact the U.S. biological defense program! -
Carnivore wrote: It also prevents smallpox, since you haven't gotten that either! You should contact the U.S. biological defense program!
hey :shock:
my forefathers did get the smallpox.....
slander!!!!!!!!!!!! -
quijibo wrote: slander!!!!!!!!!!!!
Inigo Montoya wrote: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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quijibo wrote:
Unfortunately the most effective natural cough remedies seem to have been taken off the shelves...
the one failsafe cough remedy i take is this dominican cough syrup i buy from my local pakistani pharmacist
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well, gee... of course that worked! both opiates and alcohol are cough supressants.
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take enough of it, and you might never cough again....
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