Renting Apartments
Hey all. I have a question. I recently purchased a three family home in BedStuy, and am very happy about it. The thing is, I am not sure how to go about renting two of the units. I am in touch with two real estate agents and discussing listing it. I also put information on craigslist.com a few times (with pictures) - but received very few responses. Should I continue with internet marketing, or should I just go with an agent? If I should continue with internet marketing, are there other websites where I can list my units other than craigslist.com? Any information would be much appreciated!
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What size are the units and what is the price and location?
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I'm really surprised you haven't gotten any responses off Craigslist. But then again, I'm not terribly familiar with real estate in BedStuy
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It seems like people would go nuts for a brownstone for-rent-by-owner on Craigslist. Maybe it's just not a good time for moving? December, holidays, end of the year -- it's possible the market's just not hot. Try after the new year perhaps?
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I own a three family in Bed-Stuy and had no problem renting out 2 floor through apartments using Craigslist. I do admit that December is a difficult time. It also depends what area of Bed-Stuy you are in (close to subway, etc.). I held open houses announced through craigslist. I wouldn't use a broker - except as a last resort.
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Guest 2:26: You sound like a consumate moron. As a homeowner you will probably market maybe 3 or 4 apartments in your wretched lifetime. A broker has a running list of clients who have a certain criteria. They are able to match these clients to apartments as they become available, therefore novice landlords don't have to exude too much effort. I do not quite understand your brand of outspoken stupidity. Clients pay for a broker's timely matching of an apartment to their needs. There is absolutely no money coming from the owner to compensate a broker who is showing your apartment. It is imbeciles like yourself who keep good clients from finding apartments in a timely fashion.
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2:26
Last resort? As in what, forclosure? I thought exposure was the key to renting apartments. You are offering assinine advive. I would thin k it behooves the owner to list with as much brokers as possibe, especially since it cost them nothing. You offer nothing constructive to the original poster. What if their home is not that close to a subway? Then they should do what?
Seeing that we live in a democratic society, even assholes are sometime capable of speech, however retarded the content. -
What's with the ridiculous aggression and hostility of the last two posts? If you want to make a point or criticize, fine, but the name calling and insults and general obnoxiousness of your post leave a lot to be desired. There's a lot of arguing on this board, but the thing that makes it so great is that for the most part people avoid calling each other assholes and morons. I don't see that there was any need for that here.
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I rented a couple of apartments in Bed Stuy from craigs. I put an ad in the Times as well as other online listings, made flyers and listed with 3 brokers. I only got calls from craigs. Yes, it's a bad time of year, but a few things....Are your photos nice? Is your price right? Are you posting it a few times a day? The posts tend to get lost in all the clutter. Make sure you stay on the 1st page. Someone out there must want to move for the new year...good luck!
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Methinks 4:21 and 5:25 are brokers who've had slim pickings lately.
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Be glad that you can even feign to aspire to thought, for such is a major accomplishment. Slugs have certainly evolved!
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Ooh, we've got a clever one.
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Guest 4:51 pm >You sound like a consumate moron.
Before you go off calling someone a consummate moron, you might have enough brains to spell the word correctly. Nimrod. -
I am the "moron" who posted the advice that owners list their apartments on craigslist instead of using a broker. As an owner/occupier, I prefer to control the whole renting process, instead of having a broker do it. In my experience, I am more capable and have more of a vested interest in finding good tenants than most brokers do. I rented my apartments right away - at market rates. I was able to personally interview and approve my tenants - and things have worked out well with them. How would things have worked out better if I had used a broker? The whole process was extremely easy.
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As a renter, I would definitely have preferred to rent from an owner as opposed to going through a broker. If more landlords were willing to do the tentant search themselves, there would be tenants with a lot more rent to spend because thousands of dollars wouldn't be spent on a broker who posted the property on craigslist (just ilke the landlord could have).
I would imagine, however, that if a homeowner doesn't have the time to deal with every tom, dick and harry that calls wanting to see the apartment, a broker would be a good barrier to narrowing down candidates. -
I guess one reason I avoid brokers is because I worry they are as unpleasant as their representatives on this board are. I recently rented out my downstairs apartment through craigslist. My house is on the edge of Bed-Stuy Clinton Hill, and I was surprised by the lack of interest, but in the end I realized all I needed was one tenant.
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We moved to New York in May and I was adamant that I did not want to pay a broker's fee. We searched exclusively on craigslist on the "by owner" page, and ultimately found a fabulous brownstone apartment. I was thrilled. There are definitely people out there who, like me, do NOT want to go through a broker because it's so expensive. I recommend regularly posting your apartment on craigslist so it stays visible and making sure that your ad is a good one.
Also, maybe you're not getting interest because you're charging too much in rent? Obviously, I don't know what you're charging. But Bed Stuy might still seem daunting for a lot of people, especially if you're charging Fort Greene rates. -
Subject: Another vote against brokers
As a Brownstone owner (and landlord), I'd highly recommend AGAINST using a broker. For us, they've added nothing. And we prefer to be to meet and screen prospective tenants ourselves. Make sure you have good photos, though. Good photos are key. -
I would not use a broker. They do not have the same vested interest in finding qualified tenants, who will be sharing your HOME. Plus people HATE brokers. They get paid thousands for doing virtually nothing. I think the earlier hostile posts were from bitter brokers. Use craigslist and hold open houses. Things will pick up in January. It’s the holidays so no one is looking.. If you need some quick cash, Craigslist also has an area for short term rentals.
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Also a homeowner here with 2 rentals. I never use realtor because they are not looking out for my interests - a quiet reliable stable tenant. I need to meet, interview, interact with person(s) before I want them living in my building.
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We put an ad in The Daily News for our Crown Heights rental and got good results. We also prefer doing our own screening. We have a quiet young couple living upstairs that pays rent on time every month. I occasionally feed her cat on weekends when they're away. I'm happy to make repairs or improvements at their request to benefit the quality of their life and the quality of my home. Chalk up another one for us morons.
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escap wrote: What's with the ridiculous aggression and hostility of the last two posts? If you want to make a point or criticize, fine, but the name calling and insults and general obnoxiousness of your post leave a lot to be desired. There's a lot of arguing on this board, but the thing that makes it so great is that for the most part people avoid calling each other assholes and morons. I don't see that there was any need for that here.
FWIW, Guest 4:51 and Guest 5:25 are posted from the same IP and are likely the same broker.... sorry, I mean, the same person.
Sorry I didn't pick up on it sooner- I think most of the mods have been skipping this thread.
I'm not going to delete the comments because it seems like the users here have already given him/her the appropriate smackdown. -
Don't use a broker. Brokers do basically no work and take a huge fee. When I was looking for an apartment, I had to decide how much I would be able to afford in monthly rent with a broker and without a broker. I just divided the broker's fee by 12 (months in a year lease) and subtracted that from the total I could afford. So if I had gone with a broker (which I didn't) I would have been able to afford a few hundred $ less a month in rent...
About advertising on craigslist: as other peopel have said, this is the slow season for rentals, maybe rent them out short-term (plenty of people need a place to stay in NYC for the holidays), then try again in January/February. Don't settle for sub-par tenants just because there seems to be little interest right now... (ps: The really busy season is august/september/october, when students are looking for housing for the new school year. The competition is FIERCE for apartments during those months.)
Also: make sure you include your contact info or e-mail address in your craigslist post (craigslist has that handy anonymizing tool for your e-mail). Sounds dumb, but lots of first-time craigslist posters forget to do that and wonder why they don't get any responses...
Craigslist is THE best way to advertise an apartment in Brooklyn, believe me. The Village Voice classifieds and even the NY Times classifieds have been decimated by craigslist.
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there's nothing stopping you from screening tenants if you use a broker, and you get people with the means to pay a the broker's fee - plus a larger pool of qualified tenants. Brokers can do the credit checks, you can arrange for police and litigation checks yourself, insist on copies of cancelled rent checks from previous landlords and landlord contact details. I could care less what people do, but as an owner, you're not paying the broker, the tenant does...
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Subject: Welcome!
I too put my vote on the no broker side. We have two homes in bed-stuy with a total of 5 apartments and we have had wonderful success with craigslist - give yourself a month and don't panic - if you have priced it right, have a good place in a good location (near subway) you will find someone. And that someone will be very very glad you did not use a broker. We have had nothing but trouble the two times we tried to use a broker. All the best to you and welcome to the hood.
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All of y'all that found apartments without a broker are making me feel bad!

I'll just keep telling myself how much I love my unit... -
I thought that ultimately it is the owner's job and obligation to review the application package and interview the potential tenant. I am in agreement with the previous poster in that someone who makes such a big deal over brokerage fees may not, or barely, meets the financial requirements for the apartment and therefore may be more likely to default on their lease.
Also, when on the homepage of Brownstoner.com, it is quite apparent that many brokers advertise there and provide a much-needed source of income to keep this blog viable. I wish the opinionated, self-important, so-called homeowners here would realize why this forum is able to sustain itself. In a world where knee-jerk, bombastic opinions were worth the very breath it takes to utter, you guys would all be wealthy enough to not worry and quibble over brokerage fees and whether it is just compensation.
In reference to the "smack-down" comment: I would wager that the term is quite inappropriate for the majority of effeminate and xenophobic "men" who post here. -
If you don't use a broker, be sure to use an armed or "manly-man" to oversee your open houses to avoid any incidents of you being the victim of a violent crime. Having total strangers walk into your home can be an "open-house" invitation to being victimized. Just some food for thought...
Happy Holidays -
Subject: Renting apts.
Make sure you run a credit report or have the applicant run one absolutely free (allowed once per year) from all 3 credit bureaus. People who don't pay their bills, don't pay rent. Good luck!
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Anonymous wrote: If you don't use a broker, be sure to use an armed or "manly-man" to oversee your open houses to avoid any incidents of you being the victim of a violent crime. Having total strangers walk into your home can be an "open-house" invitation to being victimized. Just some food for thought...
Paleeze- We've rented our apartment ourselves many times and never had a problem, either with the person renting or with armed thugs showing up and robbing an empty apartment. This poster is just trying to scare you into using a broker
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