Biden

sweet tea

whaddya think?

em26

What's that? :scratch:

And what the hell am I doing up this early. :shock:

Unacceptable!

doctorj

Bland.

boygabriel

I like it.

There might have been better choices but there were a million worse choices. Like Bayh and Kaine, for starters.

boygabriel

Recent blog posts on Biden that made me like him a lot more:

On Biden's comprehensive grasp of issues, professional staff, and said staff's potential to repair the govt's rank and file: link

A week old post by Erza Klein on The Case For Biden: link

Biden on environment change, intl energy issues, oil dependence, ethanol: link

carnivore

I like Biden. He's a smart guy. The only thing is that sometimes he's too smart for his own good, and he puts his foot in his mouth.

He's a little hawkish for me, but otherwise, I like where he is on most issues. And ultimately, his positions will take a back seat to Obamas.

livetotravel

I love it - for all the reasons David brooks articulated yesterday... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/opinion/22brooks.html?hp

It adds a lot of gravitas to the ticket vis-a-vis foreign policy.

carnivore

scottb2k wrote: At the very least the next 2 1/2 months will be a lot more fun with Biden shooting from the hip.

Yeah, Biden will be a great attack dog, while allowing Obama to remain above direct attacks.

doctorj

Boygabriel wrote: Biden on environment change, intl energy issues, oil dependence, ethanol: link

Looks like he's as bad as Obama on the latter.

boygabriel

doctorj wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]Biden on environment change, intl energy issues, oil dependence, ethanol: link

Looks like he's as bad as Obama on the latter.

Agreed.

doctorj

This quotation is way outside my frame of reference. Are we talking Subcontinent, or Native American, and why? Someone want to spell it out for me?

While campaigning in New Hampshire, Mr. Biden said that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

carnivore

doctorj wrote: This quotation is way outside my frame of reference. Are we talking Subcontinent, or Native American, and why? Someone want to spell it out for me?

While campaigning in New Hampshire, Mr. Biden said that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

Think Apu Nahasapeemapetalan at the Kwik-E-Mart.

carnivore

livetotravel

doctorj wrote: This quotation is way outside my frame of reference. Are we talking Subcontinent, or Native American, and why? Someone want to spell it out for me?

While campaigning in New Hampshire, Mr. Biden said that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

I think Joe (I like to call him Joe, it sounds so, you know, American) was momentarily overcome by his keen affection for East Indian and Pakistani immigrants and couldn't articulate the difference between Urdu and Hindi and just used the common denominator - all the while inferring how important it is for Americans to develop secondary and tertiary language skills so that we can communicate more effectively with our new bothers and sisters.

sweet tea

understandable, since spoken hindi and urdu are, as i understand it, extremely similar (for everyday words like kinds of foods, not for literary and abstract concepts).

daver

Boygabriel wrote: Recent blog posts on Biden that made me like him a lot more:

On Biden's comprehensive grasp of issues, professional staff, and said staff's potential to repair the govt's rank and file: link

A week old post by Erza Klein on The Case For Biden: link

Biden on environment change, intl energy issues, oil dependence, ethanol: link

Yah, I think he is great too.

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Reaffirmed That Obama Was Not Ready To Be Commander In Chief. ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “You were asked is he ready. You said ‘I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.’” Sen. Biden: “I think that I stand by the statement.” (ABC’s “This Week,” 8/19/07)

Sen. Biden: “Having talking points on foreign policy doesn’t get you there.” (”Biden Lashes Out At Obama,” ABC News’ “Political Radar” Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 8/2/07)

Jon Stewart: "You may end up going against a Senate colleague, perhaps McCain, perhaps Frist?" Sen. Biden: "John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off -- be well off no matter who..." Stewart: "Did I hear, Did I hear with?" Sen. Biden: "You know, John McCain and I think" Stewart: "Don't become cottage cheese my friend. Say it." Sen. Biden: "The answer is yes." (Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" 8/2/05)

Biden has been stridently pro-Iraq war, and he voted for the Patriot Act, and then he more recently voted to reaffirm it.

And, of course, Biden is one of the more famous plagiarists in recent history.

whatchuwant

daver wrote:
Biden has been stridently pro-Iraq war, and he voted for the Patriot Act, and then he more recently voted to reaffirm it.

And, of course, Biden is one of the more famous plagiarists in recent history.

Actually, my dear, from the NY Times last week:

Voted for the 2002 resolution authorizing the Iraq war, but now says that was a mistake. He wrote in his 2007 book: “I made a mistake. I underestimated the influence of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the neocons.” Opposed 2007 troop buildup in Iraq, and last September, proposed withdrawing most forces from Iraq by the summer of 2008, while leaving a small force behind to combat terrorism and train Iraqis.


Link: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/issues/vice-presidents/index.html

boygabriel

Zomg! Sound bites from guys who used to be rivals! That's very helpful towards evaluating the new Democratic ticket Daver, thank you!

daver wrote: Yah, I think he is great too.

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Reaffirmed That Obama Was Not Ready To Be Commander In Chief. ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “You were asked is he ready. You said ‘I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.’” Sen. Biden: “I think that I stand by the statement.” (ABC’s “This Week,” 8/19/07)

Sen. Biden: “Having talking points on foreign policy doesn’t get you there.” (”Biden Lashes Out At Obama,” ABC News’ “Political Radar” Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 8/2/07)

Jon Stewart: "You may end up going against a Senate colleague, perhaps McCain, perhaps Frist?" Sen. Biden: "John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off -- be well off no matter who..." Stewart: "Did I hear, Did I hear with?" Sen. Biden: "You know, John McCain and I think" Stewart: "Don't become cottage cheese my friend. Say it." Sen. Biden: "The answer is yes." (Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" 8/2/05)

Biden has been stridently pro-Iraq war, and he voted for the Patriot Act, and then he more recently voted to reaffirm it.

And, of course, Biden is one of the more famous plagiarists in recent history.

Unfit for office!
Unfit for office!

daver

Whatchuwant wrote: [quote=daver]
Biden has been stridently pro-Iraq war, and he voted for the Patriot Act, and then he more recently voted to reaffirm it.

And, of course, Biden is one of the more famous plagiarists in recent history.

Actually, my dear, from the NY Times last week:

Voted for the 2002 resolution authorizing the Iraq war, but now says that was a mistake. He wrote in his 2007 book: “I made a mistake. I underestimated the influence of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the neocons.” Opposed 2007 troop buildup in Iraq, and last September, proposed withdrawing most forces from Iraq by the summer of 2008, while leaving a small force behind to combat terrorism and train Iraqis.


Link: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/issues/vice-presidents/index.html
Oh, OK. He'll fit RIGHT in with Obama then! Against it before he was for it before he was against it?



Although without regard to history, I would say both their stances, however fluid, are vastly preferable to anything the repubs have thrown up.

eggcream

Flashback: The obligatory “I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do” clip
posted at 6:18 pm on August 23, 2008 by Allahpundit


“There’s a bit of C-SPAN tape that should surface quickly if he’s named,” predicted Kaus two days ago, and now — courtesy of C-SPAN, no less — here it is. Read Ed’s post from Thursday before you click or you won’t recognize the various lies as they whiz past. Having now watched it, I’m surprised it caused him such grief at the time: While the sentiment is nasty, his demeanor isn’t, and the guy it’s directed at seems to take it in good enough humor. Egotistical, loudmouthed, and affable — it’s Biden being Biden.

Exit question: What’ll end up getting more buzz as this clip circulates, his attitude or his hairline?

youtube:

http://tinyurl.com/5cmpug

boygabriel

It's amazing to me what some people consider attention-worthy.

We're fighting two wars, the economy is in the tank, and 18% of Americans have no health insurance. And -this- is what is considered political discussion.

No wonder this country elects people like George W Bush.

eggcream wrote: Flashback: The obligatory “I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do” clip
posted at 6:18 pm on August 23, 2008 by Allahpundit


“There’s a bit of C-SPAN tape that should surface quickly if he’s named,” predicted Kaus two days ago, and now — courtesy of C-SPAN, no less — here it is. Read Ed’s post from Thursday before you click or you won’t recognize the various lies as they whiz past. Having now watched it, I’m surprised it caused him such grief at the time: While the sentiment is nasty, his demeanor isn’t, and the guy it’s directed at seems to take it in good enough humor. Egotistical, loudmouthed, and affable — it’s Biden being Biden.

Exit question: What’ll end up getting more buzz as this clip circulates, his attitude or his hairline?

youtube:

http://tinyurl.com/5cmpug

livetotravel

Americans always get what they deserve because no one consistently votes against their own best interests more than Americans (hence Bush).

In this election, which should be a no-brainer considering we have one the most unpopular presidents ever, a Mini-Me McCain victory could easily happen if enough ignorant and racist people turn out to vote.

boygabriel

Livetotravel wrote: Americans always get what they deserve because no one consistently votes against their own best interests more than Americans (hence Bush).

In this election, which should be a no-brainer considering we have one the most unpopular presidents ever, a Mini-Me McCain victory could easily happen if enough ignorant and racist people turn out to vote.

Or people that have no concern whatsoever for "the other" and have no problems bombing Iranian civilians, just like we've been doing in the past 5 years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

meredithb

I like Biden, he will be the attack dog. Remember his quote about Guiliani, "Rudy Giuliani - I mean, think about it. Rudy Giuliani -
there’s only three things he mentions in a sentence: a
noun and a verb and 9/11. I mean, there’s nothing else."

daver

It is pretty close minded and not conducive to reasoned argument to say that anyone supporting McCain is ignorant, racist, has no concern whatsoever and no problem bombing civilians. There are a number of Obama proposals and positions that could conceivably give an intelligent person pause, just as there are a number of McCain proposals and positions that give other intelligent people pause. Or full on stop.

As far as being one of the most unpopular presidents ever, I'd like to point out for the umpteen millionth time that he is also one of the most popular presidents ever. He has pretty much matched both Truman's highs _and_ lows.

"A noun and a verb and 9/11."

boygabriel

daver wrote: It is pretty close minded and not conducive to reasoned argument to say that anyone supporting McCain is ignorant, racist, has no concern whatsoever and no problem bombing civilians. There are a number of Obama proposals and positions that could conceivably give an intelligent person pause, just as there are a number of McCain proposals and positions that give other intelligent people pause. Or full on stop.

par for the course with discourse like that which I responded to.

If anyone here who's voting for McCain (or dislikes Obama) wants to debate the moral implications of our two current wars as well as the third one with Iran that McCain is likely to start, I'd love to do so.

livetotravel

One can make any assumptions they want from my comment. I was merely positing that if enough ignorant and racist people vote against Obama based on their ignorance and racism then a Mini-Me victory is highly likely. That's not quite the same as saying ignorant and racist people support McCain - although certainly a percentage of them must.

jeffrey

Apparently was one 'smooooove cat in the '70s:



But then again, who wasn't?

noisejoke

Gads, at first I thought it was Truffaut!

Damn French, ruining America with their stinky cheese, proudly adulterous politicians, and uh...salad dressing! Yeah, that's it.

Also, there will be a countable number of people who don't like Obama cuz he's black, plain and simple. Except they won't admit it publicly, so you can't count em.

daver

Livetotravel wrote: One can make any assumptions they want from my comment. I was merely positing that if enough ignorant and racist people vote against Obama based on their ignorance and racism then a Mini-Me victory is highly likely. That's not quite the same as saying ignorant and racist people support McCain - although certainly a percentage of them must.

I'm sure a percentage of ignorant and racist people support Obama as well...

As far as "enough ignorant and racist people" - can you ever really have enough? Isn't there always room for more? Squeeze in there on the left...

noisejoke wrote: Also, there will be a countable number of people who don't like Obama cuz he's black, plain and simple.

Also, there will be a countable number of people who do like Obama cuz he's black, plain and simple.

noisejoke

How many people will vote for Obama because Johnny "did I mention I was a POW?" McCain is white?