Mugging Attempt on Prospect Place/Underhill

cwh812 wrote: appolonia666, Yes, I'm male, but I do live with my fiancee and care about both of our safety. My fiancee was almost mugged in a different section of Brooklyn (Flatbush) 1.5 years ago. In that instance the person actually grabbed her bag and she screamed bloody murder and they ran off.

I'm just saying that a woman might feel a bit more empathy for the original poster here than a man might, and that a woman might also have a better understanding of how scary this incident had to be than a man would. Kind of like your assertion that white people on this thread aren't getting it -- I think you as a man aren't getting it.

Does your fiancee read this site? I'd be curious what she'd have to say about all of this if she read the original account of what happened. Because honestly, I suspect she probably would find this story credible.

cwh812 wrote: 1. No, you can have someone arrested by telling the police that these kids were about to mug you. If she saw them again, which she said she did and saw a police officer at the same time and then went and told the police that they tried to mug her, the police would arrest them.

How do you know the police would arrest them? Do you know of any criminal charges that exist for running after somebody?

cwh812 wrote: 2. Vanderbilt is a place to blend in? Are you kidding me? Maybe Times Square, but not Vanderbilt.

Of course it's not Times Square, but Vanderbilt certainly has more foot traffic and is therefore more of a place to try to blend in than Underhill, at the other end of the block.

However, it's kind of pointless to speculate too much on why these guys went towards Vanderbilt rather than Underhill. This is a group of teenage boys who probably aren't exactly the most sophisticated criminal minds, and they evidently panicked when she spotted them and ran into the middle of the street. I don't see how on earth their running one direction instead of the other under those circumstances makes the story less credible.

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Hamilton wrote: Rev Jesse Jackson once said-
There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody WHITE and feel releived.

If a leading civil rights leader feels this way, why shouldn't a lone white woman or any woman on a dark street,be concerned

I ask you,are they both racist or victims of common sense?

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cwh812, i'm surprised you didn't respond to this post

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Hamilton wrote: Do yourself a favor and drop this subject ,all cwh812 is doing is having you defend and reliving your fears.
If they know you can ID them,they won't bother you.

Heya Hamilton, this reads like maybe you're talking to the original poster here -- are you? Between your not saying whom it's directed towards and the comma placement, it's kind of confusing.

does anyone else think that this thread has run its course? We can talk about race and race perceptions till the cows come home. and if one wants to, I suggest they perhaps begin a new thread.

Subject: Re: cwh812

Hamilton wrote: [quote=Hamilton]Rev Jesse Jackson once said-
There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody WHITE and feel releived.

If a leading civil rights leader feels this way, why shouldn't a lone white woman or any woman on a dark street,be concerned

I ask you,are they both racist or victims of common sense?

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cwh812, i'm surprised you didn't respond to this post

Yes, everyoneone has their prejudices. Jesse's post is true. Walking in our neighborhood, if I looked back and saw somebody white rather than black (all else being equal) I would also feel more comfortable because I know that black males (on average) are bigger and stronger than white males. That being said, however, a black man in a suit would not scare me nearly as much as a white man in a hoody.

So shouldn't what they were wearing make more of a difference than what their race was?

Subject: Re: cwh812

cwh812 wrote: [quote=Hamilton][quote=Hamilton]Rev Jesse Jackson once said-
There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody WHITE and feel releived.

If a leading civil rights leader feels this way, why shouldn't a lone white woman or any woman on a dark street,be concerned

I ask you,are they both racist or victims of common sense?

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cwh812, i'm surprised you didn't respond to this post

Yes, everyoneone has their prejudices. Jesse's post is true. Walking in our neighborhood, if I looked back and saw somebody white rather than black (all else being equal) I would also feel more comfortable because I know that black males (on average) are bigger and stronger than white males. That being said, however, a black man in a suit would not scare me nearly as much as a white man in a hoody.

So shouldn't what they were wearing make more of a difference than what their race was?


Bigger and stronger, thats funny.
I guess thats why it took four bigger and stronger blacks to scare a white woman.
Are you related to Charles Barron?

cwh812 wrote: I think most black people would also be offended. Her original post made it seem like since they were black and young, this is what they had to be doing.

Later on, she provided more description of what they were wearing. It wasn't like "I was almost mugged by four guys...this is what happened...and by the way they were young, black, had these types of jackets." I would have no problem with this statement

Instead Vagabond said..."they were young and black...this is what happened...and they were wearing this and that. "

You see the difference? I know that you might not. But there is a very big difference.

I do see the difference -- thank you for explaining. Your objections make more sense to me now.

However, what I think you're not taking into consideration is that she was writing about a very recent event that really scared her and freaked her out. You're holding her post to a fairly high analytical standard (this should have appeared before this, etc.), and I don't think you're cutting any slack for someone who had just had the crap scared out of her who then made a slight, in your view, that was most likely unintentional if it was a slight at all.

Charles Barron, right? Two r's in surmane.
http://www.nyccouncil.info/constituent/member_details.cfm?con_id=69

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Hamilton wrote: [quote=cwh812][quote="Hamilton]


Bigger and stronger, thats funny.
I guess thats why it took four bigger and stronger blacks to scare a white woman.
Are you related to Charles Baron?

I'm confused, why else would Jesse Jackson be more afraid of turning around and seeing a black person?


********************** Probably because he was afraid of getting his ass kicked even though he is big and strong

And who is Charles Baron?

If your black and live in N.Y. and don't know who Charles Baron is it may be time to read newspapers , watch TV.
Try going out and walk around and not be intimidated by whites in hoddies , after all you are bigger and stronger

Hamilton, you're ridiculous and ignorant.

Are you suggesting that a black person walking behind someone is going to kick that person's ass? Are you trying to say that blacks have a tendency towards violence more than whites? Because that is what I reading from your answer to my question.

Thanks for assuming I'm black. All I said was that I'm not white which is a bit of a lie because I am partially white.

I know who Charles Barron is. And, no I still I didn't know who Charles Baron is.

apollonia666 wrote: [quote=cwh812]I think most black people would also be offended. Her original post made it seem like since they were black and young, this is what they had to be doing.

Later on, she provided more description of what they were wearing. It wasn't like "I was almost mugged by four guys...this is what happened...and by the way they were young, black, had these types of jackets." I would have no problem with this statement

Instead Vagabond said..."they were young and black...this is what happened...and they were wearing this and that. "

You see the difference? I know that you might not. But there is a very big difference.

I do see the difference -- thank you for explaining. Your objections make more sense to me now.

However, what I think you're not taking into consideration is that she was writing about a very recent event that really scared her and freaked her out. You're holding her post to a fairly high analytical standard (this should have appeared before this, etc.), and I don't think you're cutting any slack for someone who had just had the crap scared out of her who then made a slight, in your view, that was most likely unintentional if it was a slight at all.

Thanks Apollonia. It feels like I'm talking to people in the middle of Oklahoma, not Prospect Heights, Brooklyn. I do know that it was a quick post on her part and I've calmed down a lot since then. I know she went through something she thought was very frightening.

I'm just saying people's biases like to come out when they are put in dangerous and uncomfortable situations or are talking about it after.

I do appologize to Vagabond for calling her a racist or a liar, but I do still find her original post could have been done in a much more tasteful manner.

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Subject: Re: cwh812

if I looked back and saw somebody white rather than black (all else being equal) I would also feel more comfortable because I know that black males (on average) are bigger and stronger than white males. That being said, however, a black man in a suit would not scare me nearly as much as a white man in a hoody.
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As to the statement that black males are bigger and stronger than white males (on average), isn't that what white men said about black men back in the days of slavery? Can anyone actually site a credible study that this is true? I think we would be hard pressed to find anything credible in this day and age.

I think it's unfortunate but true that a lot of people feel that way about black vs white! Most people don't have enough kahonies to admit that's how they feel and then say it in a public space. I wonder if we were to poll the American public and were able to get 100% truthful answers, how many people would say that they are more fearful of black males than white males for the reasons stated above? :?: :oops:

Ok if we can get back to the topic, There was another Robbery this evening on St Johns Place off of Washington ave. Male/Black around 6 foot 2/ 17-22 yrs old black jacket with fur on the collar armed with a black firearm. Please when walking be alert, those expensive phones are a target. Pay attention when entering your building, make sure noone sneaks up behind you.
This has been a Public Service announcement:
From KWAC

The majority of people, white or black, would be relieved to see a white person walking behind them.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

The above is a link to an on-line test measuring unconscious racism. Essentially, it measures your split-second associations. Take it and find out your own score. The vast majority of people show "a strong preference for white" - the reasons for this are too long to list. However, when speaking about "racism" we should be careful to distinguish and make clear what we are saying. Is racism the same as bigotry? What are the connections between subconscious racism and the way humans consciously act toward different races? Let's keep these thing in mind. And stop nit-picking.

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Subject: Re: cwh812

cwh812 wrote: [quote=Hamilton]
Bigger and stronger, thats funny.
I guess thats why it took four bigger and stronger blacks to scare a white woman.
Are you related to Charles Barron?

I'm confused, why else would Jesse Jackson be more afraid of turning around and seeing a black person?

And who is Charles Baron?