New bar from owners of Milk and Honey

Subject: Beers!!!

As shitty as Soda is they have a wide variety of beer...Loads of seasonal brews... Also a new high end beers bar opened in the Slope , not sure what is called , i think its on 7th ave and 14th..The Gate on 3rd street and 5th also has 24 beers on tap...

Subject: Milk andno honey!!

Remember some of the Bartenders from M&H are the most boring and unfriendly ones out there. Sasha only hires people who never Bar tended in their life, he does it so that he can mold them to his specification, some times it works most it does not. They aren ot service oriented people, as much as they would like to think they are mixologist they are only what sasha wants them to be. If you want to be at a Bar with Bar tenders who actually know the spirits and are service oriented, try having a drink at Tailor when Alex is there, or at Freeman's when Linette or Yana are there, or the Back room, or even Pegu club.

Here is the Gothamist review


Weather Up: Speaking of snobbery, a few bartenders trained at the Lower East Side’s Milk & Honey, the exclusive, reservations-only, old-timey lounge whose phone number we used to know, have brought their fastidiousness to Prospect Heights. Owned by Kathryn Weatherup, a partner in the East Side Company bar (a poor man’s Milk & Honey), the Brooklyn venture is a continuation of what’s proving to be a very successful business model: cultivate a sophisticated, sexy vibe with tasteful lighting, a mahogany bar, and music conducive to conversation, and people will pay through the nose for your fancy cocktails. There are eleven on the menu at Weather Up, including the East Side Company “Presbyterian”, an eye-opening intermingling of ginger beer and rye whiskey. 589 Vanderbilt Avenue, near Dean, Brooklyn.

Tried to go to Weather Up on Fri nite around 9:30...no tables or bar stools to be had for a party of four, so we left. Gorgeous (but dark as hell) inside. Could've sat at the long benches along the wall adjacent to the bar but they seemed to be the coat check for the nite. Oh yes...they had a doorman stationed there as well (?) Instead, we went over to Barette and the dancers made us all happy that we did.

My gf and I tried again on Sat night after the National show at BAM—I peeked in the window at Weather Up around 10:30 and it was packed to the gills, man. No way.

all this press is killing the awesome.

i reckon but how often will people come to our 'hood for a bar? Maybe dinner and post-dinner drinks, but really how many restaurants in PH get folks from PS, Clinton Hill, Ft. Greene, Crown Heights, etc? Or do you think that the bar(s) bring more people in than the restaurants?

alafairnadia wrote: all this press is killing the awesome.

i went in there last thursday fairly happy, but left pissed.

as the night went on, the music went up. i was there for 2 drinks, and over the course of an hour and half, i left upset i'd dropped so much money in a place that i thought would promise a quieter, more sophisticated environment.

towards he end of the night, had some drunk broad all up in my ear yelling "WHAT'S IN A DAAAARK AND STOOOORMY... WHAT ISSSSS IT??.... IS THIS THE SAAAAAME OWWWNERS AS MILK AND HONEY AND WHATS THE OTHER PLACE...? LITTLE BRANCH????" she said this like 5 times before i turned around and gave her a look. if looks could kill, she'd be dead. i did not go in there expecting to have to raise my eyebrow at anyone.

between my friend and i, 44 bux later, i would have been much happier going to soda/barrette as usual.

the thing that this place must establish is shooting their patrons the same dirty looks that i did if they want this place to remain on the quiet side. they need to keep the music low and demand people use their inside voices the moment the enter. they better, considering the place is tile. it got loud as fuck.

i'll return, but only after the douchebags have gotten their fix of passing through the hood. i don't plan on dropping any more money in there until a weekday happy hour time in the spring. i do not suggest going on a thursday/friday until the word stops spreading.

@sneakyonstmarks: what's your view of garden cafe, given your price point analysis re: new development on vandy? especially as that price point relates to quality.

Subject: HMM

Well versed Stacey, yeah try getting your bike fixed , they open whenever they want, will take a month to get your bike fixed, beast slow service , red slipostick, not a girl so i could not tell. As for the young faces, yes most of them are new comers, you know that. But hey, good luck to all the new places opening up, i guess we need a western style saloon, we need a new pizzeria, we need a new sports bar, we need a new Spa, wow, i guess i am going to be have be going out every night, and apparently most of the people in Prospect heights now won´t have to cook at home, now they won´t have to go the movies, now they can just walk up and down Vanderbilt get stuff with overtly price food and get really drunk on high end cocktails made by bartenders who don´t even live in the hood! I love Mitchell´s but i bet most people never been there and is probably still open due to either rent control or they own the building. Plus old timers who own buildings are now hiking up the prices how come we have almost no minority own bussçinesses you tell me?

As for the Garden Cafe
I love the place, want to have a quiet dinner go there, same thing with Sorrel too bad it did not work out apparently you guys don´t have cash and there was no credit card machine , huge factor around here...Garden Cafe was at the forefront of this neighborhood, when i moved here a as kid there were just opening up and its good to see that they are still around. Remember that was the only place around , other than castillo de Jagua , hot Bird and the Thai place where sugar is, plus geido, so there you all for the agrden cafe,...

Subject: hmm

Hey every business has the right to do what ever they want, if they want to target a specific customer that is fine, nothing wrong with that. That is why people write down business plans, what i am mostly refering to is : people here want to have a quiet place to go to but what i am trying to say is that as much as they want that , what is the point of having a business that only attracts customers that will take your tables, your bar, bring an enclycopedia and have 2 drinks max, how is business going to survive that? Like i said before what prospect heights new business(not only Weathered) counting on is what this neighborhood will turn out to be, meaning 15,000 people at a sold out gameat the new Stadium will want to eat and drink, shop or whatever and these 15 thousand people is what will make these businesses succeed not the blogger gal or guy who wants to have a drink and read the entire collection of Spinoza´s writings on a coktail.
And when you say that they are not corporations you better think about that, most of the places that are going up are owned by people that have more than a couple of places, always branching out not under the same name.. Just look around.

Subject: Quiet!!

But then again they need those loud people, remember they need to pay bills and if it wasn´t for those loud mouths the place would be empty..I guess their concept has been a bit flawed. M&H was mostly for couples and reservations only, i don´t think Weatherd can afford that, they need the young wanna be sophisticated people , who are only going there because they think drinking a 11 dollar cocktail that they have never heard of is cool and sophisticated.

just found this on the net
http://mouthfulsfood.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=15351&st=0&start=0

Subject: Mouthfull!!

I suggest you guys read this link, good things and bad things about our favorite topic lately!
http://mouthfulsfood.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=15351&st=0&start=0

the second page of the thread is really interesting....

Coincidence perhaps Alafarnadia, as you can tell his style of writing is sophisticated and mine barbaric, terrible puntuation and grammar, spelling not much better. And as a matter of fact a friend sent me the link never heard of mouthful


About weathered up on Mouthful

Given such a mob scene, it ought to be impossible for them to turn out quality cocktails. But, having seen Weather Up consultant Sasha Petraske holding court near us, the very persuasive Jesikka somehow persuaded him to mix our drinks. It's probably not telling you much to say that Sasha Petraske can make an excellent Champs Elysee, but there it is. To be sure, this tells us nothing of the performance of their more plebian staff bartenders (I recognized one guy, probably from Milk & Honey). (The cocktail list looks a lot like the non-classics page at Little Branch, BTW.) It wasn't a good sign that they ran out of ice before 1 AM -- but I doubt they anticipated the incredible popularity they're engendering.

Subject: nope

I would like to say probably coincidence as you can tell by his sophisticated style of writing and my barbaric, puntuation and grammar!

Mouthful about Weathered up
Given such a mob scene, it ought to be impossible for them to turn out quality cocktails. But, having seen Weather Up consultant Sasha Petraske holding court near us, the very persuasive Jesikka somehow persuaded him to mix our drinks. It's probably not telling you much to say that Sasha Petraske can make an excellent Champs Elysee, but there it is. To be sure, this tells us nothing of the performance of their more plebian staff bartenders (I recognized one guy, probably from Milk & Honey). (The cocktail list looks a lot like the non-classics page at Little Branch, BTW.) It wasn't a good sign that they ran out of ice before 1 AM -- but I doubt they anticipated the incredible popularity they're engendering.

Subject: Weathered Down!!

After being in Europe for the last 2 weeks i was looking forwards to going to Weathered up, what a let down. I will be very honest about myself and my experience at this so called high end cocktail lounge. Like i said before i am not a business owner on VANDY, but i have worked at 2 of the top lounges in the city for the last 4 years, so i was excited about Weathered Up opening in our neighborhood. After my first bad experience a couple of weeks ago, i was really wanting to give it another chance, i decided to go on my own just to see how i fared up to the throngs of FRAT boys and their not so good looking opposite sex companions. First of all, looking at the cocktail list again i was extremely disapointed, the list if anything is extremely amateurish, looks like Sasha looked it up in a internet cocktail web site. Nothing remarkable to begin with ,you can't be a decent cocktail lounge without an egg or at least egg whites which they can purchase in met food 2 blocks a way, a lounge without a fizz is like a bull without balls, just not happening. The service if anything is extremely shitty, i have worked in cocktail lounges where there were 400 people at a time on the weekends and only 3 Bartenders behind the Bar, from my own experience i never have made anyone wait for a drink for than 3 minutes for a drink, from my experience last night i could have made love to my girlfriend a couple of times plus a joint and a couple of cigarettes and i could have still come back to the bar and still waited. Not only that but i ordered a drink that was not on the menu and they asked me what the proportions were. , that tells you about the genius of Sasha and the so called bartenders at weathered up. The atmosphere was like landing on Mars with a bunch Frat boys and girls in need of oxygen or at least booze. Like Alafarnadia said Eliza is good to look at but not a good mixer, the other chumps or like SNEAKEATER on Mouthful said PLEBES from Milk and Honey are the most unattentive and boring Bartenders i have met other than the ones at Soda specially on the weekends. For the 70 bucks i spent last night i would say it was worthless. I might as well just go The Savoy in London, Ritz in Paris, La opera in Mexico City, Million in Buenos Aires or Havana in Munchen. This place is more of a dive than Freddy's, Mooney's and Hank's combined. Last night i went to Elettaria on West 8th and watching the 3 bartenders mix was a revelation compared to what Weathered Up is trying to be. I will not go back there again...i know i have supported Barrette before and i will over this place, on Wednesday i go and drink there and Damon is probably one of the Best mixers on this side of the river and actually knows his spirits, other than that i rather go into the city, Smith and Mills, Employees Only, Schiller's , Freeman's which i decide not to go to again because of the Cunt male Bartender or Pegu. So waste your time and money its worth it!

Alafarnadia how was Beast's party??

Subject: ??

Weathed wife is hot only decent thig there!