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Prospect Park Dog Run Petition — Brooklynian

Prospect Park Dog Run Petition

Ciarra
Ciarra
edited August 2014 in Crown Heights/Prospect Lefferts Gardens
I would love to coordinate a petition to have a dog run be put in to prospect park. It would result in a safer park for our pups as well as children and people who frequent the park. I know one was discussed in 2009 but has not had any movement since then.

Please, contact me.

Thank you,
Ciarra


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  • Esperanza
    Esperanza
    A fenced dog area would be nice and for owners to respect the rules of when their dogs can run off leash.
  • anotherperson
    anotherperson
    So would you then forfeit off-leash hours and areas for this enclosed run which would surely be quite small compared to those spaces?
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    An enclosed run would also be made up of gravel and not grass or dirt. 
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    @whatchuwant- who has mentioned anything about spatial agreements or about forfeiting off hour agreements? Also, for the sake of public safety I think dirt is fine. We have dogs they don't care as long as they can run.
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    @anotherperson- why would we need to forfeit any off leash hours? Also, it should be noted how more convenient non-limited hours would be as opposed to before 9 and after 9 when it is dark and usually sketchy.
  • travelriter
    travelriter
    Yes! I'm so glad someone is bringing up this topic again! Thank you. I'm on board.
  • sunshine11228
    sunshine11228
    I think that is a fantastic idea.
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    If NYC does a dog run, it's ALWAYS gravel- it will never be dirt. Plus the area will be drastically smaller than what they have now (the entire park). 

    If they do put in a dog run, they will absolutely take away off leash hours- you can't have both. Count on that. 

    This is why the idea was dropped a few years ago.  

    Count me out of any petition. 
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    Actually, the dog runs in the Bronx and the one on 4th in Brooklyn are all dirt- so "always gravel" is a vast overstatement, although I understand your concern.  No spatial agreements have been drawn or were drawn when the previous petition was circulating.  I think that public safety and a place for dogs and their owners to go at all hours is very important.  Further, in the winter time it would make it much easier considering it does not get light until 7-8am and gets dark around 7pm- cutting into the off-leash hours substantially as is. I will look into having both- things may have changed since 2009 and there is also a different Senator in office than the one the previous petition was consulting with.  Let's remain positive until we have reason not to be.  
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    Dirt gets muddy when it rains/snows and it's not hygienic. All the newer runs I've seen have been gravel. 
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    Hygienic? We have dogs! Maybe it can be a mixture, who knows. If you aren't interested then don't bother with this feed. It's obvious you're against any positive reprocussions of an enclosed dog run. If you'd like to contribute helpful suggestions, please continue. This is for the good of the community- not to piss anyone off or change anything drastically. I am researching dog bites of children and other people who frequent the park as well as how many dogs have been injured or lost by not having an enclosed area. A survey will also be conducted to see if this is wanted by the majority, not just this website few people frequent. Again, there are no spatial plans or whether dirt, grass, or gravel will be used.

    Thank you.
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    edited August 2014
    The reason why I am "bothering with this feed" is because I'm a dog owner and that is a park I frequent with my dog. I don't wish to be confined with her in an enclosed dog run. My opinion. Dogs benefit from clean conditions, just like humans, so yes, a hygienic ground is beneficial to everyone. 

    Your plan is to find all the negative and horrible things with the current set-up (how exactly are you going to contact this research about 'dog bites of children/ injuries and lost dogs'?) and I'm telling you the negative aspects of having a run. Look at is as food for thought.   

    If you don't want to hear a opposing opinion, get off the internet.  
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    edited August 2014
    Your confrontational attitude isn't helping and bares no solution, is my point. I just contacted Parks and Rec and they said you can have both. Let's educate ourselves before jumping to a conclusion on what the dog run will or will not be. It's counter productive. You also contact the Police Department, Fire Department, Bring Fido Brooklyn, local shelters, etc to find those statistics. I have a dog as well and that's our park. It's all of our park. I'm looking at this as a way to increase ALL of our overall well-being and so my dog can also enjoy the park not at the wee-hours of the morning and late at night when I don't always feel safe. I enjoy taking her and letting her run-off leash as far as I can throw her ball as well.  But for the days I can't make it that early then yeah, a dog run would be really helpful considering I work full-time and it isn't always easy to get there before work. The grass gets just as muddy and "un-hygenic" in the winter when there is snow and rain- not really worried about a dog getting dirty when playing outside for an hour or so. Further, I have a American Staffordshire Terrier Mix and am tired of being told to leash my dog by parents when I am abiding the laws and regulations. This is best for all- children, parents, and dogs. You will still have your off leash "hygenic" hours of before 9 and after 9 whereas others will have a fenced in dog run.
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    edited August 2014
    Your opinion is appreciated but solutions, facts, and research are more appreciated.
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    edited August 2014
    My supposed confrontational opposition is only because it's going against what you want.

    And talk about scare tactics! You're going to gather all the scariest (the scarier, the better!) so that you can have what you want.

    Different sides, same coin.

    I look forward to your survey
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    edited August 2014
    You seem to be the one who is looking at this in a negative way, actually.  I would like to keep my dog safe from other people, cars, and dogs.  I would like to keep children safe and other members of the community as well.  I would like for my dog to have a place to run that isn't restricted by times that don't always work for everyone.  Are you a parent? Did you read the other parent's comments on the previous survey? They are entitled to their opinions as well.  My only "scare tactic" in the last post was that I don't personally always feel safe after 9pm when it is dark and my dog needs to run. I HOPE there are few issues with dog bites in my neighborhood and that it is relatively safe for all members of my community.  There is no issue in finding out the potential safety benefits of an enclosed dog area.  Further, I have spoken to many dog owners who are unable to let their dogs off-leash even during the allotted hours because they have no recall skills.  An enclosed dog run would allow their dogs to benefit from that.  Have you ever made a petition before? Having all the information is vital for it's success.  How is this a bad thing? You will still have off-leash hours to frequent, I repeat- NOTHING IS CHANGING FOR YOU, so why are you attacking an idea before it is off the ground? The Internet is a place to exchange ideas and create a sense of community.  I want to work with this community to better dog owner's current situations.  How is ANY of this going against what YOU want?
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    edited August 2014
    I have read your other posts, you use this site to create confrontation and complain.  This is not my intent. Further, none of the things you have said are factual.  You can have a dog run and off-leash times and they are not all gravel and un-hygenic. I think you need to do some research before writing on a blog.  I have looked into various sides of this and contacted several government agencies to ensure the things you are claiming are in fact, not true.
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    edited August 2014
    You are lucky the off-leash times always work for you.  However, they don't for most of us working folks.  As a member of this community I have the right to request for the same services.  The Parks and Rec commissioner said himself, “we know that a tired dog is a good dog and for the last two decades, this policy has made parks safer and has allowed dog owners to exercise and socialize their pets.”  This is what I want- not to take anything away from you or scare others (which I placed little to no emphasis on in the first place).
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    I have read your other posts, you use this site to create confrontation and complain.
    What else is the internet for??? Lol!

    Whatever, Ciara- you're so much more completely invested in this than I am. I was simply telling you my opinion.

    There's only one park in brooklyn with both off-leash and a dog run. The chances of getting both are slim to none. My OPINION.

    Shame you're so unwilling to hear opposing arguments. I was going to tell you the secret spot in the nabe where we take our dogs off-leash.

    I look forward to your survey and petition.
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    edited August 2014
    It's true, I'm pretty invested in this project considering how much of an issue we have exercising our dog.  Thanks for "holding" that "secret spot" over my head- I'm sure you were actually going to tell me... Very neighborly of you.  And all because I am pointing out the flaws in your argument? Unnecessary and frankly, mean.  It's a shame you're being negative.
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    edited August 2014
    I have also taken ALL of your opposing arguments and looked into them to see their validity.  How is that me being unwilling? That's actually me seeing the potential issue a dog-run would pose and determining if they will be an issue.  Thank you for pointing potential issues out and finding that they aren't, in fact, issues. No need to be hostile here! Just want good things for our dogs.  Isn't that what we all want...?
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    And all because I am pointing out the flaws in your argument?
    It was never an argument (on my end)- I simply (and repeatedly) stated my opinion.

    I look forward to your survey and petition.

  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    Well, you're annonyous so I cannot say the same about meeting you.
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    And you'll never know if you do!

    ;)
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    I think there's enough weird, Internet bullying and negativity in the world.  I'm so sorry that you feed into that drama and perpetuate it.  I look forward to meeting you (I'm sure you'll make a snide comment and chuckle).  It's weird too, considering we are all for the same thing- places for our dogs to run.  Yet your'e hell bent on making this something entirely different. Good luck with all that negativity.
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    Shame you're so unwilling to hear opposing arguments. 
    And FYI- you did dub it an argument.  Thank you for contributing your thoughts and opinions in order to move this forward. 
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    Gee, you've been the only negativity I've experienced since I don't know when!

    Thanks for that! It's all a learning experience, yes?
  • Ciarra
    Ciarra
    There is honestly no need to troll this feed in a combative way.  You're making it something it was never intended for.  Thank you.
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    You're welcome!

    I look forward to your survey and petition.
  • morralkan
    morralkan
    It's nice that a lot of dog owners want their dogs to be able to run freely in the parks, but there are a lot of people in the park who can't stand animals, even if they are only sniffing them. If I have to chose between the rights of the dog owners and the right of a parent to allow their child to run freely without the possibility of being bitten, I think I am going to favor the parent's rights. While you as a dog owner (the general "you") know that your dog is well-behaved, loves people, and would never ever bite, the parent in the park with his kid cannot be entirely sure of this. That parent cannot even be assured that the dog he sees running freely is not a stray and has been properly vaccinated. Every time some pit bull mauls a child (or an adult), the dog owner always says how tame his dog is, how it plays with his (grand)children at home, has never bitten any of them, and so on. Also, from my experience, those little, yappy dogs are some of the most frequent nippers.

    Finally, as to the surface of the dog runs, even if there is sod planted and established there, if the run is well-used, then the grass is history in a short time. If one is concerned about one's dog(s) getting dirty, then wash their feet in a basin when bringing them back home again. Probably a good idea anytime one takes them out to do their business. Streets are dirty. 
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