The Coffee Shop Happenings Thread
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Nouvelle Vague to close by June 1st. The owner cited a dispute with her landlord.
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I really feel for the woman. She's nice, but often seemed a little down. I guess I'd be too if business was so slow. I still like the idea of a new-wave coffee shop...maybe she could have partnered with someone with more experience or sense to do a better build-out.
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This thread is a shame. Its identical in tone to a horse race. When a person decides to keep a business open or not is a life changing decision with enormous affects on all involved. My best wishes go out to all business owners who struggle with these decisions daily, I know I have.
Right now I am debating to keep TP&TB open or not. With the coming of Starbucks I am asking myself if I should stay open, change format, or rent the spot. This is not an easy decision. There are loyal employees and customers who appreciate and depend on TP&TB and I would hate to not be there for them.
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Tony, I think this thread is maybe a bit different than a horse race in that here, as far as I can tell, we're not necessarily rooting for a winner or loser. No cheering when one fails. It is however, as residents of the neighborhood, interesting to keep track with the pace of change, and what comes/goes and trying to understand the underlying reasons why.Hopefully other's learn from the 'reasons why', and don't repeat the same mistakes. Too often something opens up in the same space where something similar failed, and you wish the people had done some homework. Though sometimes a small tweak makes all the difference. Businesses are a weird and difficult thing.I hear you that a business is not a faceless thing. There are humans behind it, often putting in everything they have and taking a risk, and employees' livelihoods at stake as well. Hopefully people understand that and don't root for a business to close (there are exceptions though when some deserve to).
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This thread is a shame. Its identical in tone to a horse race.
Insulting or attacking people on this forum I.E. your customers might not be the best way to attract business.
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When a business is floundering, the owner and its employees need to look at what thriving businesses are doing and see if they can replicate it.
Often, they can't.
NYC is a big city:
- If the firms that are forced to close had talented, skilled employees, they will find work quickly elsewhere.
- Customers of closed venues will go to similar ones.
- If the firm had a good location, it will be quickly rented to another entrepreneur who chases their dreams.
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The deaths of Nimba and Prospect Place Coffee leave behind pretty prime spaces.I believe Park Place Coffee and NImba have now been closed for the last month.
Park Place Coffee has some boxes stacked up against the windows and I haven't seen a soul in there. I think it's dead.
Nouvelle Vague's space is less prime. -
Right now I am debating to keep TP&TB open or not. With the coming of Starbucks I am asking myself if I should stay open, change format, or rent the spot. This is not an easy decision. There are loyal employees and customers who appreciate and depend on TP&TB and I would hate to not be there for them.
I hope you stick around and I wish you the best. I know for a fact that if TP&TB had more seating that more people would come. -
Right now I am debating to keep TP&TB open or not. With the coming of Starbucks I am asking myself if I should stay open, change format, or rent the spot. This is not an easy decision. There are loyal employees and customers who appreciate and depend on TP&TB and I would hate to not be there for them.
Just now seeing this, but - and I'm no huge fan of chain stores of any kind - I really think TP&TB will benefit from Starbucks going in. (TP&TB South is a daily morning stop for me before catching the train to work.)Starbucks will increase the foot traffic on the TP&TB North block. It will draw people up Franklin but also over from other avenues. Locals will still know TP&TB and go there over a chain. But TP&TB will also pick up some of the new foot traffic in the area... much of which will come from people not necessarily destined for Starbucks each time but just naturally frequenting the Franklin @ EP area more often once Starbucks trips have planted thought of the area in their brains...None of this is to say a coffee shop is the most profitable use of the space... there may be a better option... I have no idea and nothing in mind here... good luck in whatever route you choose... and here's hoping that route is a second B&B at Franklin and Union... :-) -
To the owner of TP&B:
Many folks in the hood have expressed the need/want for a local pastry shop/bakery (sort of a little old-school Italian bakery style, perhaps....) where one could pick up great breads, pastries/canolis (yum), cakes, tarts, cheesecakes, & perhaps fresh cookies by the pound to pick up if you are hosting a dinner or going to someone's home for dinner and need to bring some nicely wrapped desserts, for example. Although my understanding is that Lily & Fig theoretically might be the go-to spot for this, believe me, I have tried them and several other shops many times when headed to friends for dinner, and for some reason L&F are always closed before dinner-hour and everyone else only has hard leftover croissants from breakfast-time....Not a good dessert option. And...The closest possibility to fill this need might be Joyce but we could surely use a much closer grab and go yummy bakery/pastry/dessert-type-option here on Franklin Ave, if you are open to shifting focus and if you might be able to find some yummy suppliers. Just an idea about a local need that might be worth considering... -
Tony Fisher, if you must close Pulp & Bean, maybe you'd consider expanding Bob & Betty's into the P&B space? You could put in a fresh deli counter where you could still stock your yummy bagels and offer cold cuts, deli sandwiches, hot food to go, etc.? Or just expand Bob & Betty's to include a few extra shelves of products your customers have asked for that you haven't had room to add. Just a thought.
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Or...just thought of this...perhaps you could become the local creperie w/ both sweet and savory crepe options and perhaps quiches too....and you continue to do coffee & tea with crepes or slices of quiche...both are a great breakfast, lunch or light dinner option ..and who doesn't love a yummy crepe or quiche...??? In terms of product, it would completely differentiate you from Starbucks (and all the oher local coffee spots, for that matter...), and it would give folks a definite reason to want to come specifically to you any time.of day, whether they want a sweet treat or a light meal... Just tying to keep the thinking cap on as I'm sympathetic to your concerns about the big boys coming to town..Local bakery or creperie, I think either way would be a great and lucrative option...
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Anyone have the scuttlebutt on Glass Shop? They've been closed during prime business hours every time I've walked by this week.
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At one point, the Pete Zaaz pizza folks next door had plans to take over Glass Shop to create additional seating.
If this is now happening, Glass shop can be effectively deemed "dead".
[update: it will become a sandwich place http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44709/mmmmm-sandwiches-for-766-classon-formerly-glass-shop-coffee#Item_8 ] -
I don't know if it's possible to change thread titles, but I agree with Tony's earlier comments... the thread title almost makes it sound like we are hoping for coffee shop closures. If I were an owner like Tony I would share his frustration at that. Maybe it was originally a "death watch" thread, but it has really ended up just being a local coffee shop happenings thread. I'd hate for other owners to turn away from contributing to the thread by perceiving it as Tony did.Just a thought.
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I am pretty indifferent.
but....
What is wrong with hoping that the area gets a more diverse business mix?
What is wrong with advising businesses that if they do not differentiate themselves they will perish?
What is wrong with looking forward to the new businesses that will replace those that don't adapt? -
I am pretty indifferent.
There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism... but rooting for places to fail is a different story. There may have been some of that in the thread, but overall that hasn't been the tone of the thread... it's a good discussion... the title was just misleading and could be off-putting for local owners.
but....
What is wrong with hoping that the area gets a more diverse business mix?
What is wrong with advising businesses that if they do not differentiate themselves they will perish?
What is wrong with looking forward to the new businesses that will replace those that don't adapt?Not a big deal... but thanks for the change. I think the new title better fits the more positive nature of the thread. -
It would not surprise me if one of the now closed coffeeshops (Park Place Coffee, NIMBA, Nouvelle Vague or Kaffe Jak) is reborn as a Mexican-influenced food restaurant.
Then, we will be approaching the point where we have "too many" Mexican food restaurants, and a similar thread may be appropriate.
Like the coming Starbuck's, maybe Chipolte or Chili's will open a location, and accelerate the process.
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Glass Shop (located on Classon, near St. Johns) was supposed to become part of Pete Zaaz. Now, it appears that both are about to disappear.
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New entrant on Washington Avenue, News and Coffee.
http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44687/a-news-and-coffeeshop-for-790-washington#Item_1 -
This is a somewhat unique coffee shop happening:
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Thankfully, it is in Bushwick.
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An additional coffee shop is coming to St. Johns and Rogers.
http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/comment/556114#Comment_556114 -
the corner of Rogers and Sullivan is going to be a cafe as well. Dunkin Doughnuts on Montgomery and Bedford around the corner....lots of coffee.
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This donut place is going to be run by Crosby Coffee, so it likely meets our defintion of a coffee shop:
http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/45000/donuts-for-bergen-and-rogers#Item_7 -
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[The Pulp and Bean on the north side of EP (by Starbucks) has announced that it will soon close, and reopen as a upscale pet food place.]
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Sorry to hear that. Will the new Pet Food Store be run by the current owner of pulp and bean?
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The Pulp and Bean spaces are owned by the same family that runs Bob and Betty's.
They might be leasing the space to a new entity.
So, depending on how we define "run", yes.
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Whynot. The space next to Starbucks will remain open. The shop is doing very well. And will remain open for the foreseeable future. The shop at 832 will be closing once bb822franklin is open. The shop at 832 Franklin will be site of the future pet food shop (name yet to be determined). The entire operation of TP&TB will be incorporated in to the future location of bb822franklin
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