Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin

daver

Man, when I read that quote from Bush, all I can think of is, "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

And I suspect you disagree, but there is no love lost between Bush and McCain, these guys are NOT buddies. Well, except that they DO conceal it. To further their evil ends! Lol.

boygabriel

daver wrote: Man, when I read that quote from Bush, all I can think of is, "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

And I suspect you disagree, but there is no love lost between Bush and McCain, these guys are NOT buddies. Well, except that they DO conceal it. To further their evil ends! Lol.

Oh I don't think they like each other all, but man do they like each other's policies, even if neither will admit it.

boygabriel

http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/predicted-charley-gibson-questions-for-palin/ wrote: Predicted Charley Gibson Questions for Palin[/url]
By: Attaturk Tuesday September 9, 2008 1:30 am

Will ask Palin:

(1) Please tell us a series of tear-jerking stories about your decision to give birth to a Down Syndrome Child.

(2) Why are you so gosh darn popular?

(3) Isn't it awesome that your are a reformer, with results that I will not require evidence thereof?

(4) How do you feel about Barack Obama not always wearing a flag-pin?

(5) Tell us about your oldest boy serving in Iraq?

(6) How do you stay in such good shape?

(7) Tell us about the time you saved your family from a feral rampaging Moose with just an SUV, an AK-47 and mortar?

(8) Do you find my bluejeans pleasing? It shows that I'm just your average $10 million a year journalist in a staged Alaskan interview.

(9) May I pet your Trig?

(10) Are you up for some drilling?

Questions that will NOT be asked:

(1) Why are you refusing to testify in an investigation of abuse of power now when you promised to testify before?

(2) Why did you inquire into your ability to ban books when you were Mayor?

(3) What books did you want to ban?

(4) Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution? Why or why not?

(5) Why do you opposed abortion even in case of rape or incest?

(6) You're for "abstinence only" education, did you tell ever think to tell Bristol about the wonders of a third sock?

(7) Why did you say your daughter "chose" to keep her baby when you would prevent anyone else from even having a choice at all?

(8) Tell me what specific decisions you made in regard to the Alaska National Guard?

(9) Tell me why your state's proximity to Russia gives you particular expertise towards that nation? And while we're at it, who is the President of say Azerbaijan?

(10) Did you ever attend a convention of the Alaska Independence Party?

(11) Was your husband a member of the Alaska Independence Party? Why? And why did you address their recent convention given their secessionist views?

(12) Do you believe in converting gays through prayer?

(13) Why were you in attendance at a church where the leader of Jews for Jesus excused bombings against Israelis because they had yet to accept Jesus?

(14) Why did you not walk out or protest? Do you believe this to be true?

(15) Seriously, what's up with you and cats? Are you going to get Bill Frist a cabinet position?

(16) How'd you get that "per diem" money for staying home in your employment contract with Alaska? I've got to get that clause in my next contract. I'd like to bill ABC for those times when I'm not working but sleeping. In fact, I'm sleeping through this interview right now, ka-ching!

(17) When you were Mayor of Wasilla, did your town charge rape victims for their own forensic examinations? WTF?

daver

daver

Sarah Palin wrote: "You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."

Barack Obama wrote: You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. You know you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still going to stink after eight years.

In my experience the fish will begin to stink LONG before eight years. Perhaps Mr. Obama's house is different though.

whatchuwant

Got this in my inbox today:

*This information is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board. When the librarian refused to ban the books, Palin attempted to get her fired.*

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch -22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse- Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Choco late War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

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My Friend Flicka, for cryin' out loud?!?!?!

daver

Whatchuwant wrote: Got this in my inbox today:

*This information is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board. When the librarian refused to ban the books, Palin attempted to get her fired.*

That isn't true, and some of the books on that list weren't even published at the time she was mayor, FWIW. That list comes from some other thing that somebunny put together with her.

boygabriel

When is Palin going to get asked why she asked the librarian how to go about the book-banning process? When is she going to get asked what books she was considering banning? When is she going to get asked what disagreements they had that originally led to her firing (and rehiring) the librarian?

sweet tea

ja, the truth about palin is bad enough -- no need to accuse her of banning harry potter in advance of its existence.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp

daver

Boygabriel wrote: When is Palin going to get asked why she asked the librarian how to go about the book-banning process?

She has. The question was reportedly asked in reference to current community concerns amongst constituents.

Boygabriel wrote: When is she going to get asked what books she was considering banning?

She has. There were reportedly no books under consideration, it was a rhetorical question in response to current community discussion in the village.

Boygabriel wrote: When is she going to get asked what disagreements they had that originally led to her firing (and rehiring) the librarian?

She has. She requested resignations from _everyone_ when she came into office, which bullshit or not, is not exactly atypical behavior. The person in charge generally likes people loyal to them in all department head positions. Despite this, she kept everyone in their positions. Three months later, she fired the librarian _and_ the police chief. Not surprisingly, both had publicly supported her opponent in the contentious election. Local news stories at the time mentioned NOTHING about censorship to do with the firing. Palin said that they weren't supportive of her administration, and she shit canned them. I don't doubt that she was accurate in her assessment. She rehired the librarian after meeting with her at which point the librarian said that she would support Palin's plan to merge the Museum and Library operations after all.

Palin ran for mayor on a platform of change, is it _really_ that surprising that she would get in there and, oh, I don't know, try to *change* things?

You can believe her answers or not, you can believe the media coverage from the time or not. But the questions have definitely been asked and answered. *shrug*

boygabriel

We're not talking about street cleaning or parking regulations here. Banning books is not ok. Her nutjob evangelical church had recently turned its attention to banning books, so she comes into office and is all too happy to 'look into it'. Oh right, her inquiries where 'rhetorical'.

These are the kinds of things that should be featured heavily when the media and the electorate evaluate candidates. If we want to elect an evangelical leader who has a history of letting evangelical-level social conservatism guide her policies, great. But can we at least talk about that honestly and not couch it in 'politics as usual' rhetoric?

Banning books is not normal. Electing an extremely proactive Evangelical leader is quite significant. Perhaps the media and the electorate should reflect on that, and talk less about flag pins and being a hockey mom.

Did we not learn this lesson when we elected Evangelical psycho GWB while talking about who we'd rather have a beer with? Meanwhile we end up with Iraq, the housing crisis, regressive health care, a spiraling deficit, and gas prices/addiction through the roof.

daver

Um, reality check? She didn't ban any books. She didn't even ask to have any books banned. FYI.

And yes, electing an extremely proactive Evangelical leader _is_ quite significant. Look at our current president, for instance. Apparently some people are into that.

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Bush, who became a born-again Christian at 40, is one of the most overtly religious leaders to occupy the White House, a fact which brings him much support in middle America.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

daver

Boygabriel wrote: Did we not learn this lesson when we elected Evangelical psycho GWB while talking about who we'd rather have a beer with? Meanwhile we end up with Iraq, the housing crisis, regressive health care, a spiraling deficit, and gas prices/addiction through the roof.

You wanker! You edited your post to mention GWB _after_ I posted about him in regard to your point! Now I just look, well, silly.

Oh well.



Anyhow, many Americans actually view this as a good thing...

boygabriel

daver wrote: Um, reality check? She didn't ban any books. She didn't even ask to have any books banned. FYI.

Reality check: that doesn't render this a moot issue.

daver wrote: And yes, electing an extremely proactive Evangelical leader _is_ quite significant. Look at our current president, for instance. Apparently some people are into that.

Of course they are, a huge percentage of Americans are Evangelicals. And yet on many issues a vast majority don't support implementing such policies on a federal level, such as with abortion and gay marriage.

Mr Bush, who became a born-again Christian at 40, is one of the most overtly religious leaders to occupy the White House, a fact which brings him much support in middle America.

Then perhaps his evangelism should have gotten more media coverage in '00 than the lie that Al Gore claimed to invent the internet, or the lies in '04 about Kerry's Viet Nam service.

boygabriel

daver wrote: You wanker! You edited your post to mention GWB _after_ I posted about him in regard to your point! Now I just look, well, silly.

Oh well.

ha. we did it at almost the same time. we basically agree on that point, so if I had seen your post I would have responded to it, rather than adding it to my original one.

daver

Boygabriel wrote: Of course they are, a huge percentage of Americans are Evangelicals. And yet on many issues a vast majority don't support implementing such policies on a federal level, such as with abortion and gay marriage.

You sir, are incorrect in stating that a vast majority of Americans don't support implementing such policies on a federal level. Or even at all. Or even a majority. In fact, to take one of the two issues you mention, not even Barack Obama supports gay marriage. FACT.

Here is what he said to the Chicago Tribune:

Barack Obama wrote: I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.

Incidentally, having said that, Obama and McCain are on the same side in their opposition to a federal constitutional amendment regarding same sex marriage. McSame and McBama? OCain and YerMama? Who knows.

boygabriel

daver wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]Of course they are, a huge percentage of Americans are Evangelicals. And yet on many issues a vast majority don't support implementing such policies on a federal level, such as with abortion and gay marriage.

You sir, are incorrect in stating that a vast majority of Americans don't support implementing such policies on a federal level. Or even at all. Or even a majority. In fact, to take one of the two issues you mention, not even Barack Obama supports gay marriage. FACT.

I should have been more specific, 60%+ of Americans do not support amending the constitution to ban gay marriage.

Also I was under the impression a majority of Americans don't support the federal government banning partial term abortion. Do you have a poll otherwise?

This is all a tangent to my main point: Palin's Evangelism (sp?grammar?) should be a major discussion point, the way it wasn't when Bush was running, especially first time. Furthermore, the media & electorate should be strongly considering things from her past (and future), such as inquiring "hypothetically" (stifles laughter) about banning books (that her church doesn't likewhatwho said that!?)

Where's the discussion Palin's church's controversial views, in even a fraction of the volume that the media & conservatives yelled about Señor Wright?

daver

Boygabriel wrote: This is all a tangent to my main point: Palin's Evangelism (sp?grammar?) should be a major discussion point, the way it wasn't when Bush was running, especially first time. Furthermore, the media & electorate should be strongly considering things from her past (and future), such as inquiring "hypothetically" (stifles laughter) about banning books (that her church doesn't likewhatwho said that!?)

We can play that game with Obama ya know... Oh wait. They are. Doesn't make it right though, either way.

Boygabriel wrote: Where's the discussion Palin's church's controversial views, in even a fraction of the volume that the media & conservatives yelled about Señor Wright?

I know jack shit about Plain's church's controversial views. In all honesty. I suppose _that_ is your point. I'll have to look them up and see's what's I thinks.

boygabriel

Sarah Palin is a game-changing woman of the people.

Woman of the People

Sarah Palin had a tanning bed installed in the Alaska governor's mansion? Seriously? That's like knocking the eight ball into the pocket on the break. Isn't there some CNN rulebook whereby that ends the election right now?

Posted by Ezra Klein on September 15, 2008 11:18 AM | Permalink

daver

Boygabriel wrote: Sarah Palin is a game-changing woman of the people.

Woman of the People

Sarah Palin had a tanning bed installed in the Alaska governor's mansion? Seriously? That's like knocking the eight ball into the pocket on the break. Isn't there some CNN rulebook whereby that ends the election right now?

Posted by Ezra Klein on September 15, 2008 11:18 AM | Permalink

Wow, they are _really_ scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they?

That's the best shot? Then I guess McCain has as good as won.

I _did_, however, find a fascinating article about Lehman Brothers on that site.

A delegation of Navajo, Hopi and Lakota warned Lehman Brothers stockholders of the dire consequences of their actions in 2001. In a rare move, censored by most media, the Navajo, Hopi and Lakota delegation warned Lehman Brothers, after it acquired the financial interests of Peabody Coal, of the spiritual consequences of mining coal on sacred Black Mesa and the aftermath of Peabody Coal's machinations that led to the so-called Navajo Hopi Land Dispute.
Lehman Brothers is now in the midst of financial collapse, with its bankruptcy producing a rippling effect throughout the world's economy.

"Our ancestors warned that someday this would happen. White men will say that it is our own people that sold this land. I will not accept this.
"Our roots are rooted in our villages and it goes up to the whole universe. If we break these roots the world will get out of balance.

"I pray for you and hope that we open your eyes and you find the majority in your heart."

Senator John McCain, R-Ariz., now a US presidential candidate, was among those responsible for pushing legislation to force Navajos to relocate.

Navajo, Hopi and Lakota delegation warned Lehman Brothers
2001 they warned them about the Sacred Black Mesa, and now US financial collapse.

Fascinating site, BTW, thanks for the link.

boygabriel

daver wrote: Wow, they are _really_ scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they?

That's the best shot? Then I guess McCain has as good as won.

I _did_, however, find a fascinating article about Lehman Brothers on that site.

No, that's not an actual reason Palin's a joke. There are a million of those.

This was an example of something the media should jump all over. Except it happened to a Republican, so it's clearly not relevant.

$400 haircuts and arugula though...

daver

Boygabriel wrote: This was an example of something the media should jump all over. Except it happened to a Republican, so it's clearly not relevant.

Were I major media, I would require a little more substantiation than the word of that website. In case my sarcasm above was _completely_ lost.

In other news, great new T-shirts:


T-shirt Hell

carnivore

Great editorial from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502471.html

What kind of person tells a self-aggrandizing lie, gets called on it, admits publicly that the truth is not at all what she originally claimed -- and then goes out and starts telling the original lie again without changing a word?

pitu

Alaska Women Against Palin

sweet tea

CLASSY:

Robert Kennedy, Jr., in the Huffington Post:

Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies."

boygabriel

Carnivore wrote: Great editorial from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502471.html

What kind of person tells a self-aggrandizing lie, gets called on it, admits publicly that the truth is not at all what she originally claimed -- and then goes out and starts telling the original lie again without changing a word?

Palin is terrible for this country, and John McCain is a complete sellout by selecting her.

carnivore

NOW has endorsed Obama.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=69716&sectionid=3510203

daver

Carnivore wrote: NOW has endorsed Obama.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=69716&sectionid=3510203

Not shocked, given their platforms. In fact, I would be pretty damn disappointed if they endorsed McCain/Palin simply because the ticket is short a penis. Although the two boobs more than make up for that.

Speaking figuratively. Of course.

idlewild

Boygabriel wrote: [quote=Carnivore]Great editorial from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502471.html

What kind of person tells a self-aggrandizing lie, gets called on it, admits publicly that the truth is not at all what she originally claimed -- and then goes out and starts telling the original lie again without changing a word?

Palin is terrible for this country, and John McCain is a complete sellout by selecting her.

I hope people are seeing the long run in this. That whether or not McCain wins the GOP is now officially a hardcore, religious right wing party and the days of moderates such as Goldwater, Nixon and even Reagan/Bush 1 are over with.

boygabriel

I know this is late, but Sarah Palin conducted govt business through a Yahoo email account!?!?! Are you kidding!?

Words cannot describe this level of stupidity, whether we're talking about competence for office, or her own personal interests. (Yahoo, not a good place to store important email if you're the governor of a state.)

And as a(n intelligent) person could expect, her account has now been hacked.